Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 12:26:46 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org> To: Andrey Chernov <ache@freebsd.org>, Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com>, Roman Kurakin <rik@inse.ru>, src-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-src@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.sbin/sysinstall main.c Message-ID: <20070501192646.GA67243@elvis.mu.org> In-Reply-To: <20070501115133.GA6634@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20070501000242.GA19510@nagual.pp.ru> <20070501002817.GA887@nagual.pp.ru> <463690FE.9000209@inse.ru> <20070501010709.GA1304@nagual.pp.ru> <20070501013957.GX13868@elvis.mu.org> <20070501064828.GA3836@nagual.pp.ru> <20070501083032.GA9361@soaustin.net> <20070501084514.GA4889@nagual.pp.ru> <20070501113155.GD13868@elvis.mu.org> <20070501115133.GA6634@nagual.pp.ru>
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* Andrey Chernov <ache@freebsd.org> [070501 04:52] wrote: > On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 04:31:55AM -0700, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > If the fallout from your changes broke a bunch of things in > > -current, then we can expect the fallout in -stable to be > > even worse. > > They are not planning to go into -stable any soon until the moment when > 7.x becomes -stable, when libc version number will be bumped. I had forgotten about that. Look, Andrey. Here's what I saw: Change of functionality of a foundation of libc. Change of how a bunch of userland programs treat the environment (major security issues have been found over the years in how the environment is treated). Little (being generous here) discussion. Hard pushback on questions "can you show me any breaks". Broken head. A bunch of people complaining about ports being broken. A bunch of people complaining about current being broken. Truth be told your argument would have stood on it's own sans the "prove to me that there's breakage" as in "prove to me that there are no WMDs in Iraq". It basically seems like something that could have used some thought and discussion which would have proved helpful had it happened prior to the commit. Had a discussion taken place, and I still piped up, a "shut up Alfred, read the lists" would have sufficed. Either that, or a more lighthanded response would have been nice, "I know things are hosed, I'm going to fix and explain a bit better shortly." Your track record (a good one) would have spoken for itself. That said, sorry for giving you such a hard time, for being "one of those committers", and making you miserable for the past 12 hours. -Alfred
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