Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:42:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb@FreeBSD.ORG> To: green@unixhelp.org Cc: bright@hotjobs.com, mark@grondar.za, donegan@quick.net, scrappy@hub.org, dcs@newsguy.com, freebsd-test@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. Message-ID: <199901011742.JAA03030@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9901011142230.17928-100000@janus.syracuse.net> (message from Brian Feldman on Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:47:36 -0500 (EST)) References: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9901011142230.17928-100000@janus.syracuse.net>
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the alternatives proposed so far are:
postfix as a port:
sendmail and postfix each installs 6 files that the other
installs (/usr/sbin/sendmail, /usr/bin/newaliases
/usr/bin/mailq). if postfix is a port this scenario arises:
install FreeBSD (mta: sendmail)
install port of Postfix ( postfix)
time passes, some customization possible
upgrade or
make world or (sendmail replaces postfix)
customization of mail system ignored.
user pissed.
symlinks do not solve this problem. a symlink from
/usr/sbin/sendmail to /usr/local/sbin/postfix/postfix would be
overwritten.
for make world, this is preventable by defining NO_SENDMAIL in
/etc/make.conf. for those users that know of and have glanced at
/etc/make.conf
sysinstall is not able, at this time, to let the user choose an
MTA. anyone will to fix that should step forward with patches.
fine for the "moderately knowlegeable user". bad for the
"minimal hassle" user. the "expert user" will do it their way.
sendmail and postfix ports:
the user by default is left without an MTA. this is like sun
shipping solaris without a compiler.....PITA.
PITA for the "moderately knowlegeable user". bad for the
"minimal hassle" user. the "expert user" will do it their way.
postfix in contrib:
user sets a varible in /etc/make.conf. the flag is MAILER. it
has three alternatives: SENDMAIL, POSTFIX, NONE. a make world
installs postfix and never surprises the user with a different
mailer.
increases the size of the source tree.
the "moderately knowlegeable user" can pick there poision. the
"minimal hassle" user can run a script to replace the sendmail
binaries and manpages with the postfix binaries and manpages
(both will remain in the tree, even after running the script.
the "expert user" will do it their way.
other considerations:
we have users at different levels of UNIX knowledge. those taht
know enough to select their own mta will. those that want to
write an mta will. those that need a working box with minimal
hassle are left with /etc/sendmail.cf
postfix is far easier for the "minimal hassle" user to use and
live with. sendmail is the thickest o'reilly book i own. i
love sendmail, it does things that no other mailer can. i have
made it do some truly hideous operations due to managment
"vision". but i can not, in good consciense, recommend sendmail
to "minimal hassle" users.
both sendmail and postfix have their place.
jmb
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