Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2026 01:34:23 +0300 From: Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> To: freebsd-test@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Misc. as part of usage testing Message-ID: <20260112013423.ed5bb1dafb358fed5e9e7559@gmail.com> References: <ed0b1cfc-f1f1-40e3-a628-950aeb0bf311@yahoo.com> <f50a134c-ead8-43f6-aceb-07abfc483518@yahoo.com> <db83d9d2-e74a-4008-9c7e-277c95954037@yahoo.com> <1120fc06-36c8-439f-b439-fb33703e8535@yahoo.com> <20260110174324.48bb6e44408f8ee501341561@gmail.com> <966d8d30-6044-4f6e-b4b7-1e459c105c98@yahoo.com> <20260111144959.f3d2181ef3b51587123cf83a@gmail.com> <d5e61dab-631f-456d-a856-7f162796cf37@yahoo.com> <20260111213302.f8d2550423eb3f8a2682ab45@gmail.com> <86bd98e1-e00a-4e0f-b92c-a51838aa65e1@yahoo.com>
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Mark Millard to Anton Shepelev: > > This setup looks very wrong to me, because the same account > > is split between two disparate universes: using NNTP for > > incoming messages and SMTP for outgoing ones. This may > > explan why you read via NNTP yet post via SMTP. > > For news.gmane.io in thunderbird (and probably more > generally), if a SMTP server is defined in Thunderbird, > news.gmane.io uses one of them. No, it simply makes no sense. A Usenet (NNTP) server has nothing at all to do with an e-mail (SMTP) server, except the very looselyt coupled connection when you specify your e-mail address in your NNTP account, but that is just the value of a header in the NNTP message, nothing more. NNTP works for both reading and posting without any involvement of SMTP. > It appears that the only way to avoid that is to never have > filled in a Outgoing Server (SMTP) in Thunderbird or using the > (config editor...) button in Settings to get to Advanced > Preferences and to reset and delete appropriate definitions. It sure sounds wrong. No tutorials that I see mention SMTP at all, e.g. the one below seems like a good tutorial (save for the specific NNTP-server details), and with screenshots: <https://web.archive.org/web/20250121115404/https://www.i2pn2.org/common/Thunderbird/Usenet-Thunderbird.html>; It shows a configured account with just the NNTP server, without even the incoming/outgoing distinction: <https://web.archive.org/web/20250121115404im_/https://www.i2pn2.org/common/Thunderbird/5-Congratulations.png>; > The UI for newsgroups makes no reference to Incoming vs. > Outgoing for NNTP, biased to implicitly both. That's right. > But if an SMTP Outgoing server is defined it seems to be what > is used for Outgoing. And that's... strange. > So I got Thunderbird back to being just NNTP, no outgoing SMTP > server. > > Retrying sending ot just the Newgroup: No message in list so > far (15+ min). > > Attempting to send with both the Newsgroups filled in and the > To filled in just waits until one clicks Cancel to the > progress dialog. Even then it shows it is still an active, > pending send. In Usenet/NetNews/NNTP mode, the To: field should not be visible and available at all, as shown in another screenshot from the tutorial above: <https://web.archive.org/web/20250121115404im_/https://www.i2pn2.org/common/Thunderbird/16-Followup.png>;home | help
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