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Date:      Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:24:48 -0600
From:      David Kelly <dkelly@hiwaay.net>
To:        Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>
Cc:        David Kelly <dkelly@hiwaay.net>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Large system backups; recommendations for devices & strategies? 
Message-ID:  <199802120024.SAA08885@nospam.hiwaay.net>
In-Reply-To: Message from Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>  of "Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:50:01 PST." <199802111750.JAA00661@dingo.cdrom.com> 

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> > All one filesystem? Multiple systems?
> 
> Multiple systems.

That makes multiple tape drives a more viable solution.

> > Others have suggested jukebox solutions but you might consider 5 or 10
> > (or 2 or 3) lower cost (than DLT or AIT) Exabyte 8505's which can put an
> > honest 4.8G (or more with compression) on a cheap tape. 
> 
> I had considered this.  How would this compare cost-wise with an 
> EXB8505-based changer?

I don't know the price of an Exabyte changer right now, but 8505's are 
somewhere between $1000 and $1500 new. There is an 8700 with similar 
specs, external only, its top loading, going for about $800 new.

Putting a tape drive on each system might make your users happy, don't 
know what the systems are normally doing. Loading a tape in each may be 
quite a hassle if all the systems are not close by.

> I appreciate this.  The big downside with multiple drives is feeding 
> the rotten things, and the slightly more grubby software involved.

Grubby software? Schedule dump with cron. Don't try to bite off more
than a tape per night per tape drive. If somebody forgets to put a tape
in the drive then you'll be emailed. Heck, without the right options
you'll get emailed anyhow.

> > The CD-R people are pushing their hardware for backups too. In volume a 
> > 600MB CD-R disk is approaching $1. Don't think that's a viable solution 
> > for you.
> 
> Not unless there's a changer that behaves enough like a tape drive, no.

Don't think so for FreeBSD but the Mac and PC backup people are pushing 
it by supporting it in backup programs such as Retrospect.

--
David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net
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