Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:29:06 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky <erich@alogreentechnologies.com> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Cc: "Hartmann, O." <ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD? Message-ID: <2254560.bniZLBSrLO@x220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD08973.5080009@zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <CAGFTUwM1a%2B4CkOcVxjo_G3k4ae6Pa=KwC3mTvRi5P=Urc7kXew@mail.gmail.com> <4FD0719A.8000009@digsys.bg> <4FD08973.5080009@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
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Hi, On 07 June 2012 12:58:59 Hartmann, O. wrote: > On 06/07/12 11:17, Daniel Kalchev wrote: > > > > > > On 07.06.12 02:09, Erich wrote: > >>> Those "minor" issues are, having the recent mess in front of my eyes, a > >>> simple "negative exaggeration". What is that "price worth", if the > >>> system is faulting and rendered useless or partially useless? > >>> > >> just do what was recommended in this thread: wait. > > ... well, I will pass this to those who fund my research. Wait. Yes ... > the right answer. to make them ban FreeBSD from all of their projects? > > >> > >> Tell this ones to a commercial client. They will use words on you for > >> which use you get a life ban on this list. > > Not even commercial clients ... I have the impression that the people > who are using FreeBSD MUST be professionals in any way - or just > adventurers. This impression can be emphazized by picking up some of the > comments made here. > I am back to BSD since around ten years. I never really left Unix since I started with it during the last days of the Seventies. It amazes me most that this kind of people always have been there. I made then some fun with them when they have been on the suppliers side. I think they have forgotten why Unix is there in the first place. > > > > > If you are not qualified enough to handle issues like this, you would be > > better to avoid offering your "integration services" to anyone. Or, of > > you dare to -- you fully deserve those people yelling at you, or worse.. > > > > Those who use FreeBSD to offer integration services and are qualified do > > not whine, neither they wait. Those people do what the promised to do: > > provide the customer with the requested solution. > > ... in some cases this needs the deep knowledge of all ports/software > provided and used and this is simply impossible, or at least null > convergent probability. It is not possible but it is also not needed. Why create a hurdle when there is a simple way around it? > > In some cases I see a dicrepancy between what is reality and what is > predicated. If it comes to the evidence, that something has been > mismanaged, then there is always this allmighty excuse: FreeBSD is a > volunteer system developed by volunteers blabla. I'm also a volunteer > using FreeBSD! And I spend a lot of time trying to help. > This all they say sounds always so one-sided. As being the perfect human is the standard. > But at some points this gets very frustrating! Totally corrupted ports > (not FreeBSD itself!), and so a corrupted system, no fallback mechanism > although the problem is there for decades by now (as stated in this thread). Which alone makes a big joke out of these answers. > In my case, just for instance, we/I use FreeBSD as server AND client to > avoid loads of work having to many different OSes. We and it is definit > use OpenLDAP as the users's housekeeping backend. > Thunderbird is NOT working with OpenLDAP (which is, I asume, an Ok, I do not like LDAP for 'private' reasons and as such it is not on any of the machines under my control. But even then, hey, you are joking? > important piece of a modern multiuser environment and part of "the power > to serve"). I personally live with this problem now for almost a year, > since I can circumvent the crash of Thunderbird by starting Firefox > prior to Thunderbrd and start Thunderbird while Firefox is starting. > This behaviour is very strange and it is obviously well known to those > who use a similar environment. I also do not use Thunderbird as my primary e-mail client because of its erratic behaviour. > And this problem occurs on EVERY new setup I made using LDAP as the > backend. > I wonder why you are still using FreeBSD then. Especially with these kind of comments around. > There is a open PR, there are some hints (not working for me), there are > some notes in the mailing list. > > Obviously, FreeBSd is rarely used in such an environment or is stuck > with ancient NIS/YP setups, I do not know. I must say, luckily, I have had to give in when it came to the company's public server. It uses Linux and does not have any of these issues. > > I only can ask the list herein - since the "professionals" in our > computer center of the campus are in most cases in Linux. > Sad to say. > > Well, to come back to the subject: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD? > > I guess there are plenty of reasons as well as there are plenty of > reasons of the opposit. But one very frustrating scaring thing is the > arrogancy of several people here - leveling out the great help of those > who wish to help. When they are successful in keeping people away, there position is stronger then. Anyway, I joined this thread more for the fun until I realised that it should be possible to put the salty finger into this big wound of FreeBSD. Erich
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