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Date:      Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:18:41 -0500 (CDT)
From:      BWS - Offwhite <brennan@offwhite.net>
To:        xavian anderson macpherson <professional3d@home.com>
Cc:        Christopher Rued <c.rued@xsb.com>, "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: vinum question
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0010022014220.79573-100000@home.offwhite.net>
In-Reply-To: <39D932AC.4D3D9C06@home.com>

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your tone is very confrontational.  "so much for that guy" is right.  he
will not be helping you now.  the way you have phrased everything could be
altered slightly to get more responses which may help you.

i think your patience is simply thin.  you have no patience to take the
time to understand the processes and systems you are trying to
control.  this happens to me at times.  some things are just hard and i
cannot find the piece to the puzzle which make it all work. it may be best
that you let it rest a while and return to it when you are in a better
frame of mind.

right now you are not doing yourself much good.

Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin
projects: www.greasydaemon.com | www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com

On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, xavian anderson macpherson wrote:

> let me state once more that i have the book and am reading it!  i
> brought the 10cd power-pak. i like the manual.  it was because of the
> manual that i brought the power-pak.  so much for the guy who said i was
> lazy for not reading.  if i didn't want to read, and didn't think that i
> should have to, i wouldn't have brought the book.  i tried to download
> the freebsd kernel from the web.  but i could make heads or tails of
> it.  i was expecting to find the kernel to be one contiguous unit as it
> is in linux.  now maybe it is.  but what i found was kernel modules as
> they would appear in linux after the kernel and it's components had been
> compiled.  i didn't find any file of the size that i expected the kernel
> to be (17-21MB's for linux).  it was because of this recognition, that i
> was erroneously applying concepts from one system to another, that i
> chose to admit that i don't know what i am doing.  it is also because of
> this that i am approaching this (installation) with great trepidation.
> 
> Christopher Rued <c.rued@xsb.com>
> chris wrote;
> 
> After you install, the kld should be in /modules/vinum.ko.  According
> what I just read, you should not even have to explicitly  load the
> module.  When you try to use vinum, it will automatically be loaded.
> You do not have to do anything special to install the kld.  Just
> install the OS, and you will be able to run vinum.
> ====================================================================
> thank you.  the reason why i did not proceed, was that with linux, if
> you change the definition of the partition type, after it's initial
> declaration, you inevitably erase all the data on the partition.  does
> it at least seem reasonable that someone should not want to have to
> erase their canvas to add a new color?  it is for this reason that i
> chose not to proceed without knowing (explicitly) the results of my
> actions beforehand.  i didn't buy freebsd to make mistakes, but rather
> to have a solution to them!  what i still have not been told is, `when
> you define the partition labels at installation, is that also where you
> define vinum?'  is that simply put enough?
> 
> in linux, my system (kernel) is VALHALA, my volume group was `ODIN'.
> the physical volumes were `THOR'.   such that  the labels went like
> this;
> 
>     /dev/ODIN/THOR01, /THOR02, /THOR03, etc.
> 
> that was very simple and straight-forward.  it didn't require a math
> degree to interpret this.  it is done at the time of the initial
> installation.  you did not first load (any) data on the partitions and
> then go back and relabel them, for the very reasons already stated
> above.  if freebsd is different, great!  but i have not read where that
> is the case.  and it would not be ligitimate for me to assume so.  in
> fact, i assume the worst, and expect it.
> 



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