Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 12:49:08 -0700 From: Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@freebsd.org> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" <rgrimes@freebsd.org> Cc: src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, svn-src-head <svn-src-head@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: svn commit: r359685 - in head: . etc lib/libc/gen share/mk share/termcap usr.bin/login usr.bin/vgrind usr.sbin/services_mkdb Message-ID: <CAH7qZfuByOAA53aMoEJ%2BYL5Em-rZLf1rv%2BooO2HGGHSB73GY0A@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <202004090012.0390CV5H002903@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> References: <CAH7qZfvGx5ieBDH9O64FG82dOZs9y-M2JFtJ0WbxmJ83Kih1MA@mail.gmail.com> <202004090012.0390CV5H002903@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
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Well, how many FreeBSD builds have you run in the last year, Rodney, personally to care about 0.1s slowdown that it might have caused? We've run at least a 1,000 here, probably 3x more. So yes, the cost is there, the cost is well understood and found negligible versus the benefit of having a slightly more extensible build system that is slightly easier to understand and integrate into bigger projects. -Max On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 5:12 PM Rodney W. Grimes <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 3:37 AM Rodney W. Grimes < > freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> > > wrote: > > > > > > Author: sobomax > > > > Date: Tue Apr 7 02:46:22 2020 > > > > New Revision: 359685 > > > > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/359685 > > > > > > > > Log: > > > > Normalize deployment tools usage and definitions by putting into > one > > > place > > > > instead of sprinkling them out over many disjoint files. This is a > > > follow-up > > > > to achieve the same goal in an incomplete rev.348521. > > > > > > I have concerns that this factoring out of 5 values that have not > changed > > > in 25 years is a pessimization, it is one more file that make has to > > > open on each invocation. > > > > > > > Well, luckily enough the cost of opening a file has been exponentially > > declining over those 25 years, so we are probably many-orders of > magnitude > > faster than we used to be back in 1995. Or so I've heard. :) > > I believe we are pretty much just on par and no more than 1 > order of magnitude on time completion of make world. > > > > > Having those variables defined in a centralized manner allows us here for > > example to convert the result of what would be > > installworld/installkernel/distribution action into a self-extracting > > archive (optionally signed) with automatically generated script, which > does > > the action in question. As such, we can now build in a completely > sandboxed > > environment with 0 privileges (potentially even on something completely > > alien like GNU/Linux) and then deploy it to as many systems as we need or > > use to create VM images / Jails. > > > > > https://github.com/sobomax/sysmaker/blob/master/makeargs/distribution.sub > > > https://github.com/sobomax/sysmaker/blob/master/makeargs/installkernel.sub > > > https://github.com/sobomax/sysmaker/blob/master/makeargs/installworld.sub > > I do not see anything in that set of files that requires this change, > am I missing something? > > All of the existing values should of been overridable from the make > command line invocation, and it does not mater if they are in 1 > file or 50 files. > > > I have very few reasons to believe that our needs to be unique in this, I > > am pretty sure others will find some interesting use for this as well > (e.g. > > signing binaries being installed, etc). > > I do not see that your needs require this change. > > > > > -Max > > -- > Rod Grimes > rgrimes@freebsd.org > >
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