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Date:      Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:51:11 -0700 (MST)
From:      Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>
To:        "David S. Miller" <davem@jenolan.rutgers.edu>
Cc:        hackers@freebsd.org, iain@sbs.de, sparclinux@vger.rutgers.edu
Subject:   Re: TCP/IP bandwidth bragging
Message-ID:  <199612030551.WAA02750@rocky.mt.sri.com>
In-Reply-To: <199612030434.XAA18481@jenolan.caipgeneral>
References:  <199612030319.VAA25727@brasil.moneng.mei.com> <199612030434.XAA18481@jenolan.caipgeneral>

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[ Wow, *that* was an obnoxious Cc: list ]

>    Benchmarks are always meaningful.  Real world heavy
>    duty applications mean nothing.
> 
> I've said nothing that asserts the statements you are making.  I've
> said nothing to the effect that "Using FreeBSD is not a good idea." or
> that doing so would get you less performance than Linux or any other
> system for that matter.
> 
> As for real world heavy duty applications, I did give examples of
> where those are in use, but you can certainly feel free to ignore
> those statements as others have as well.

You made statements of the like:

"I've run tests that did such and such"
OR
"I'll be running tests that emulate real-world loads"
OR
"I've got a SPARC box that can do 17MB through software RAID"
OR
"My SparcLinux boxes run News w/out problems"

But you haven't show an *real world* example of a known, heavily-loaded
system that is beat to death that you can point at and say "Look Ma, I
installed FooNix and it blew the doors off the same box that was running
BarNix".

I can claim all sorts of #'s as well, and even *prove* them under ideal
conditions, but when you can show me a box 'On the Net' that gets the
crap kicked out of it that isn't inside someone's testing network, then
I'll start to sit up and take notice.

Like Jordan said, put up an ftp server with some really cool software,
or setup a WWW site with nudie pictures and leave it up for a month or
so.  Get back to us with the numbers and the hardware configuration.

Your 'tests' internally are obviously a good 'start' for tuning things,
but as with all things theoretical experiments are only as good as the
environment they are run in.  In the 'real world' things happen that you
never expect that don't factor into 'in the lab' experiments.


Nate
>    The real shame is that this rivalry is antagonistic.
> 
> As I have stated above I am not being very antagonistic.  I have not
> denounced FreeBSD once as anything which is inferior, or that Linux is
> superior.

And yet in your .sig

> ---------------------------------------------////
> Yow! 11.26 MB/s remote host TCP bandwidth & ////
> 199 usec remote TCP latency over 100Mb/s   ////
> ethernet.  Beat that!                     ////
> -----------------------------------------////__________  o

Beat that!  I don't see how *anyone* could read you as an antagonistic
person.  Heck, and you're not even saying that Linux is superior
either.  Give me a BREAK!



Nate



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