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Date:      Tue, 5 Dec 2000 00:40:39 +0000 (GMT)
From:      Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>
To:        bp@butya.kz (Boris Popov)
Cc:        keichii@peorth.iteration.net (Michael C . Wu), tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: installing freebsd from windows nt without using boot disks
Message-ID:  <200012050040.RAA14259@usr02.primenet.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0012041146060.58929-100000@lion.butya.kz> from "Boris Popov" at Dec 04, 2000 12:18:55 PM

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> > Boris, How much is USD$170,000.00 in Russian Rubles?
> > And if you do not mind, please give us a rough estimate of how much
> > a Russian kernel hacker gets paid an year?  :)
> > 
> > USD$510,000.00 for copyright, code, and one unix-guru's 6 months' work.
> > Hmmm, where do I sign up for the job? :)
> 
> 	Well, lets do some calculations to convert these trailing zeros
> to a monthly "salary":
> 
> 	170000 / 6 = 28333.3(3)
> 	510000 / 6 = 85000.00
> 
> 	The first number is about 18 - 36 times bigger than the monthly
> salary of the good C/C++ programmer (one may calculate the same for a
> second number, I don't wan't to look at result :). Eg, if you find a way
> to transfer money to the CIS area, then someone (possibly a group of
> people) can easily dedicate 12 hours per day for this task :)

That's 20k down to 10k a year.

In the SV area, you are talking:

2 BDRM apt:	$2,000/month
		=	$24,000/year
		=	$53,000/year before taxes

So those prices are very cheap.

For the particular project referenced, you will need an NT
system and several scratch disks, so that you can examine
the state changes in identical FS's, until you can create
identical changes as a result.  You will need a full Windows
developement system, including the driver develeopement kit
and the standard kit (DDK and SDK).  You will also need to
beg/borrow/bribe a copy of a Windows NT IFS sample code.  The
best place to get this is the NT 3.5.1 1996 developer's
conference ISO 9660 sample installable FS.  You will also need
Helen Custer's "Inside NTFS book", and the FreeBSD NTFS code,
which is read-only.  Finally, you will need a detailed
understanding of log structured FSs, as well as the problems
the current FreeBSD VFS has with such animals, and where it
would be modified.

So yeah, it's a little high, but the programmer is assuming
risk, and charging for some expensive to acquire knowledge,
and working with software that is no fun to work with, so
there has to be an expectation of paying a premium for the
work.

If someone else is willing to do the work for less, fine; I
still don't see anyone willing to fund the work, though, so
this is probably a pointless discussion.


					Terry Lambert
					terry@lambert.org
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