Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:09:13 +0300 From: Daniel Kalchev <daniel@digsys.bg> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD? Message-ID: <4FD099E9.8070303@digsys.bg> In-Reply-To: <4FD08973.5080009@zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <CAGFTUwM1a%2B4CkOcVxjo_G3k4ae6Pa=KwC3mTvRi5P=Urc7kXew@mail.gmail.com> <CADLo83-cqT=ZgL28%2BYw=%2BCnRoxSBgqM%2BkLODJqMppLFhtjZv_Q@mail.gmail.com> <4FCFB6B5.9080905@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4663489.XnqCi6nxiI@x220.ovitrap.com> <4FD0719A.8000009@digsys.bg> <4FD08973.5080009@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
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On 07.06.12 13:58, Hartmann, O. wrote: > ... in some cases this needs the deep knowledge of all ports/software > provided and used and this is simply impossible, or at least null > convergent probability. Only God is required to know and be able to do everything. We humans can be imperfect. > In some cases I see a dicrepancy between what is reality and what is > predicated. If it comes to the evidence, that something has been > mismanaged, then there is always this allmighty excuse: FreeBSD is a > volunteer system developed by volunteers blabla. I'm also a volunteer > using FreeBSD! And I spend a lot of time trying to help. There was recently an very nice short announcement on how/why Netflix has decided to use FreeBSD as the base for their delivery infrastructure platform. You understand, that Netflix are serious about this. According to them, they have identified where the current state of FreeBSD needs help and contributed their fixes back to the community voluntarily (they are not required by the BSD license, unlike with GPL). I didn't read any excuse on part of Netflix why they can't use FreeBSD. > But at some points this gets very frustrating! Totally corrupted ports > (not FreeBSD itself!), and so a corrupted system, no fallback mechanism > although the problem is there for decades by now (as stated in this thread). Why the whining? I too am sometimes frustrated that the ports tree gets broken from time to time. Usually this means I will have to spend more time on it. Time is something I don't have much to spare. But I know that whining does not help. Learning is faster. I also know there *is* fallback mechanism here. One that was explained in this thread a number of times: sync your ports tree to a non-broken date. Usually, just the day before the announcement that broke it appears in /usr/ports/UPDATING is enough. I also see your problem with Thunderbird and LDAP. But you didn't provide enough information, except "it does not work". So let's try to narrow it a bit: - does the same setup work with another OS? (the same setup, same software versions) - you imply interaction with Firefox. Is Firefox crashing too? - have you traced the crash to specific library (there should be enough error messages, or at least core file to investigate)? - have you considered that this all might be configuration problem of some sort? Or using some non-standard compiler like GCC 4.6? I know it is always FreeBSD's and not user fault, but still... > I guess there are plenty of reasons as well as there are plenty of > reasons of the opposit. But one very frustrating scaring thing is the > arrogancy of several people here - leveling out the great help of those > who wish to help. I don't know about others, but I won't buy your attempt at social engineering here. Like I said, you are either capable of doing certain job, or you are not. Blaming others for your lack of knowledge on certain subject is not very productive. Claiming that those who suggest the problem might be sometimes caused by the device in front of the computer are arrogant is even less productive. By the way, asking a question politely is going to produce a lot more useful replies, than "tell me this, you bunch of arrogant FreeBSD users!". Or to put it in summary: if you are not critical to yourself, there is no point being critical towards others, much less "FreeBSD". Daniel
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