Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 09:18:02 -0500 From: Marco Peereboom <slash@peereboom.us> To: Andreas Klemm <andreas@freebsd.org> Cc: miros-discuss@mirbsd.org, misc@openbsd.org, "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@freebsd.org>, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org Subject: Re: The future of NetBSD Message-ID: <20060905141802.GB5021@peereboom.us> In-Reply-To: <20060905070219.GC13764@titan.klemm.apsfilter.org> References: <20060831110112.J82634@hub.org> <f34ca13c0608310843p4e28b57eoec2f60737c034ddb@mail.gmail.com> <20060831184715.B82634@hub.org> <44F7619B.8010609@evilkittens.org> <20060831192632.T82634@hub.org> <20060831225719.GG25515@ribeyre.gentiane.org> <20060831200228.B82634@hub.org> <20060831230642.GH25515@ribeyre.gentiane.org> <20060831201338.F82634@hub.org> <20060905070219.GC13764@titan.klemm.apsfilter.org>
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> I don't think that binary only drivers are well enough. > Surely better than nothing but ... No fucking way. No support is FAR FAR better than a blob. Yes, really! > > Don't forget that an open source team sometimes makes api changes > that might break a "binary only" driver. And companies sometimes > are slow in fixing. A.K.A. Never. And when they try it usually doesn't work right. Worst of all *you* have no clue how they kludged a so called fix together. Vendor code is usually pretty darn bad and I wonder why people never revolt against that. > > Or the vendor did some mistakes in his own driver. > First the paying customers are served. All the other folks > (open source ..) surely will come last. Open source users paid for the hardware didn't they? Or because they use an alternative OS now they stole the hardware? This argument is retarded. > > For some smaller corps supporting open source developers is > simply a burden that costs time and so money. Docs are part of the development process. If they are not than you don't want that hardware. > > I know this from a medium sized german company producing nice > audio recording cards. > > It was impossible to get a card and documentation from them for > a FreeBSD developers. And after weeks and months of asking via > e-mail they decided finally to tell the truth that they don't > want to support open source developers anymore, it makes too much > work. They are unable to spend so much time answering open source > developers questions although they got documentation. This experience > they made with Linux developers. I call horseshit on this one too. Vendors do not have to support shit if they free their docs. NOTHING because the OS developers will do it for FREE for them. This argument is a steaming pile of shit with peanuts in it. It is this attitude that is killing Linux and FreeBSD. They will allow anyone to shit and piss in their sandbox and say "GREAT THANKS!" You people need to get through your heads that blobs are killing your operating system that you pretend to care so much about. Allowing blobs is the equivalent of eating fast food; it is convenient now but 10 years from now your ass wont fit through the door. A man will fight harder for his interests than for his rights. -- Napoleon Bonaparte > > Andreas /// > > -- > Andreas Klemm - Powered by FreeBSD 6 > Need a magic printfilter today ? -> http://www.apsfilter.org/ >
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