Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 05:23:59 +0100 From: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be> To: "Mike Meyer" <mwm-dated-1015470875.56aa1c@mired.org>, Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org>, Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS-X question(WAS:GUI question.) Message-ID: <p05101404b8a6032680e1@[10.0.1.29]> In-Reply-To: <15488.17307.182886.938736@guru.mired.org> References: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0203011432131.2796-100000@pilchuck.reedmedia.net> <p0510140fb8a5bc92819a@[10.0.1.26]> <200203010532.AAA17582@alpha.vaxxine.com> <p05101403b8a5459d1362@[10.0.1.26]> <200203012019.PAA14268@uce55.uchaswv.edu> <p0510140bb8a59e566b67@[10.0.1.26]> <20020302004028.A90395@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <15488.17307.182886.938736@guru.mired.org>
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At 9:14 PM -0600 2002/03/01, Mike Meyer wrote: > How well does it integrate apps that expect to run on Aqua, or > whatever apple's UI is called? Can I still use them if I'm running > X11? Do they expect part of their interface to be provided by the > environment, which caused problems for Motif-specific applications on > non-Motif window managers? Well, I've never used it myself, but it should let you use both at the same time -- Aqua apps use Aqua and display on the screen, and X11 apps use X11 and display on the same screen. > I agree with that. It's also one of the worst things about the Mac. To > paraphrase, you can have it in any flaver you like, just so long as > you like apple. There are always exceptions to the rule, but the Macintosh HIG work pretty well for the vast majority of the time. Violate these rules on the Mac at your own extreme peril -- damn, damn few apps have ever done so and managed to actually make an improvement. > Part of the problem is that the basic design was done using studies of > casual users, who didn't use the system often enough to remember > things like keystoke shortcuts, or which button selects and which > button pops up a menu. True. > I'd have to go digging the numbers up, but a GOMS-level analysis of > the X11 bloated window managers vs. my not-bloated widow manager shows > that the expected time to complete a window management task is well > under 50% for my version. The Mac wouldn't fair as well as X11 does > under the same analysis. I'd be interested in seeing those results. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles@skynet.be> Do you hate Microsoft? Do you hate Outlook? Then visit the Anti-Outlook page at <http://www.rodos.net/outlook/>; and see how much fun you can have. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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