Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:00:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> To: freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (Rodney W. Grimes) Cc: obrien@freebsd.org, nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams), arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Import of tcsh into src/contrib/, replacing src/usr.bin/csh Message-ID: <200004110000.RAA29030@usr09.primenet.com> In-Reply-To: <200004062336.QAA38972@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Apr 06, 2000 04:36:02 PM
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> > > PicoBSD is just *one* of the many, many, many uses for small embedded > > > system. > > > > List them. > > Your not reading. He already listed a handfull, Juniper, Whistle, etc > all. I'll ad 3 in I am working on, can't give you names, but 8K bites > for me, let alone 400K. Whistle doesn't really depend on PicoBSD, and our image is approximately 20M. Our default root shell is, in fact, tcsh. But it's called tcsh, not csh. I think the most damning argument so far is the "enhanced" (read as "gratuitously different, in a bad way") variable substitution. I didn't know about that, per se, going into this, but I knew that there would be something. For flash disk, like on the i.Opener, or the new Compaq webpad, etc., image size is much more important. You can only fit so much into 45M, and a NetScape, an X server, a FreeBSD, and drivers for 2.4 GHz equipment and ppp are pretty much a very tight squeeze, even with a compressed ELF image loader. > Ohh.. and yess... I am still a confirmed anti-bloat screaming monger > from the good old days when a 10 command OS/8 CLI was just fine with > me, and PIP had more options than ls. I still regret the replacement of "tar" with "gnu tar", particularly the absolute path thingy; it seems that it snuck in under the cover of tar being unable to write holey files. I have been bitten more than once by "tar" not being "real tar", praticularly when scripting for portability between FreeBSD and AIX (AIX still has "real tar"). 8-(. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message
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