Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 19:48:06 +0100 From: Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> To: David Chisnall <theraven@freebsd.org>, Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> Cc: John F Carr <jfc@mit.edu>, freebsd-arm <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>, freebsd-hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-xen@freebsd.org" <freebsd-xen@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>, =?UTF-8?Q?Roger_Pau_Monn=C3=A9?= <royger@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: How to upgrade an EOL FreeBSD release or how to make it working again Message-ID: <CA%2B1FSijqbF9CNw_oAHAEbLqb02Hq5L79WJV=RDfrtGgqgMp1%2Bg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <D435604C-70F1-454D-B3AE-CD4D7C99D383@FreeBSD.org> References: <CA%2B1FSihU4WJWbbD9k9th4GXvyAKTL3URic-BAFUY7Og=wLn27A@mail.gmail.com> <CA390EE5-3339-4A15-8087-C28B309FA523@mit.edu> <CA%2B1FSih6j0QP9nKkxFCjMCeuMdvJca3WxVsi8%2BQaN2sV8YO-zw@mail.gmail.com> <D435604C-70F1-454D-B3AE-CD4D7C99D383@FreeBSD.org>
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--0000000000007e39b1060f007600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello. Do you have deleted forever the set of packages and ports for FreeBSD 11 or you keep them stored in DVDs that I can buy or download for a small amount of money ? If yes,where ? To rebuild everything is out of my expertise. On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=AFPM David Chisnall <theraven@freebsd.or= g> wrote: > On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent. > > For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005. The last > cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014. This is n= ot > a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=80=99s = 19 years old and has been largely > dead for several years. > > > But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about the ARM > Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL. > > Generally, run `freebsd-update`. This is a very different question from > =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?' > > > I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and > Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it > as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes. > But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you. > So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You > know,there are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you can > keep your machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can > compromise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removin= g > ports and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the onl= y > one that thinks like this. > > If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is > stopping you, but: > > - You will need to build the releases. The source code is still in git, > you can. The scripts for building the release images are right there in > the repo. Just grab the relevant release or releng branch and go. > > - You will need to build packages. Newer versions of the ports tree wil= l > not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an older > checkout of the ports tree. Poudriere will build a package repo for you. > > In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certainl= y *will* > have security vulnerabilities. The project strongly advises you not to d= o > this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure software and end > up compromised. > > The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining > things indefinitely. This is why release have a five-year supported > lifetime. If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2= =80=99re > welcome to. In the past, companies have picked up old branches and > maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them. If you want > to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets) then the= re > are probably a few companies that will happily take your money. > > Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not = totally > unrelated. Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and costs the > project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN, so thi= s > isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk). Even if it were free, philosophically= , I think > making it easy for users to install known-insecure software is a bad idea > but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-date packages online > indefinitely then you can. You can run Poudriere and even cross-compile > from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily. > > It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would g= uess that > you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a cloud > VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated. Storing the results for a smal= l number > of users will cost around $10-20/month. If you think this is an importan= t > thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spend your own money on > doing it. > > David > > --=20 Mario. --0000000000007e39b1060f007600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello.</div><div><br></div><div>Do you have deleted f= orever the set of packages and ports for FreeBSD 11 or you keep them stored= in DVDs that I can buy or download for a small amount of money ? If yes,wh= ere ? To rebuild everything is out of my expertise. <br></div></div><br><di= v class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 1= 5, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=AFPM David Chisnall <<a href=3D"mailto:theraven@fr= eebsd.org">theraven@freebsd.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class= =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg= b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto &= lt;<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">marietto2008= @gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> > <br> > The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.<br> <br> For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005.=C2=A0 The las= t cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014.=C2=A0 This= is not a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2= =80=99s 19 years old and has been largely dead for several years.<br> <br> > But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about th= e ARM Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.= <br> <br> Generally, run `freebsd-update`.=C2=A0 This is a very different question fr= om =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?'= ;<br> <br> > I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and= Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it = as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes.=C2= =A0 But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you.= So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You know,t= here are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you can keep yo= ur machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can compr= omise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removing ports= and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the only o= ne that thinks like this.<br> <br> If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is sto= pping you, but:<br> <br> =C2=A0- You will need to build the releases.=C2=A0 The source code is still= in git, you can.=C2=A0 The scripts for building the release images are rig= ht there in the repo.=C2=A0 Just grab the relevant release or releng branch= and go.<br> <br> =C2=A0- You will need to build packages.=C2=A0 Newer versions of the ports = tree will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an o= lder checkout of the ports tree.=C2=A0 Poudriere will build a package repo = for you.=C2=A0 <br> <br> In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certainly = *will* have security vulnerabilities.=C2=A0 The project strongly advises yo= u not to do this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure softwa= re and end up compromised.<br> <br> The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining th= ings indefinitely.=C2=A0 This is why release have a five-year supported lif= etime.=C2=A0 If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2= =80=99re welcome to.=C2=A0 In the past, companies have picked up old branch= es and maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them.=C2=A0 I= f you want to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets)= then there are probably a few companies that will happily take your money.= <br> <br> Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not to= tally unrelated.=C2=A0 Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and = costs the project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN= , so this isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk).=C2=A0 Even if it were free, ph= ilosophically, I think making it easy for users to install known-insecure s= oftware is a bad idea but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-da= te packages online indefinitely then you can.=C2=A0 You can run Poudriere a= nd even cross-compile from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily.<br> <br> It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would gue= ss that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a = cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated.=C2=A0 Storing the results f= or a small number of users will cost around $10-20/month.=C2=A0 If you thin= k this is an important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spen= d your own money on doing it.<br> <br> David<br> <br> </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre= fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d= iv> --0000000000007e39b1060f007600--
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