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Date:      Tue, 03 Mar 1998 14:41:17 -0800 (PST)
From:      Simon Shapiro <shimon@simon-shapiro.org>
To:        "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>, "John S.Dyson" <toor@dyson.iquest.net>, Mikael Karpberg <karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se>, current@FreeBSD.ORG, Eivind Eklund <eivind@yes.no>
Subject:   Re: 3.0-RELEASE?
Message-ID:  <XFMail.980303144117.shimon@simon-shapiro.org>
In-Reply-To: <12025.888963573@time.cdrom.com>

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On 03-Mar-98 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

>> Offer membership.  1 year membership is $10.00, two years for only
>> $18,50. 
>> A lifetime membership for a nice, round $1,000.00.  People can commit to
>> lifetime membership by sending $25.00/month for 40 months.
> 
> Sounds kinda scary, really - I think I'd break the donation blocks
> into more manageable chunks (and make the one year membership just a
> bit more - $10 is almost not even worth the handling fee).

I think the processing fee is about 2.9%.  There is a transaction fee of
$0.50, or so.  The main problem is in clearing.  If we want an SSL
clearance, it is expensive.  If we just provide a secure channel to pass
credit cards unmolested, it will be much cheaper.  The number of bounces
and disputes is exponentially tied to the cost of the transactions.
Why am I telling YOU that?  Your company does more of these transactions in
a day than I did in a year...

>> Aside from voting, members are entitled to bitching about the stability
>> of
>> current for free.  All others must donate a non-refundable
>> $3.00/complaint.
>> Lifetime members can cross post their complaint to as many mailing lists
>> as
>> they want.
> 
> Yeah, right. :-)
> 
> I'm assuming you're not serious in that particular paragraph (and if you
> were, I'd demand $1,000,000 a year for the right to cross-post to as many
> mailing lists as they wanted - I HATE that :).

I am not.  But I think we should consider some ``deliverables'' for the
membership.  The AARP gives you a discount card (for their overpried
pharmacy), the NRA gives you a sticker and a cap.  Most charities guarantee
that they will flood you with guilt generating material from other
charities, and a picture of a sad child (who will smile once your money
comes in), etc.  

We cannot make the source part of the deliverables.  Discounting the CD's
is out of the question, because this will make your company donate even
more.  We need something.

Remember what the X consortium did (still do?)?  Those who forgot;  In
FreeBSD terms, only consortium members have access to current.  non members
get only access to -stable.  Bad idea...

>> To keep the project socialistically correct, we reject any and all
>> corportate donations.  Or, we may say that corporate membership costs 35
>> times more than an individual membership and carries 1/3 the voting
>> rights.
> 
> That would be political suicide.

That was another attempt to be funny.  To be serious, you have to decide
what is to be voted on.  Avoid the Debians...

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Sincerely Yours, 

Simon Shapiro
Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG                      Voice:   503.799.2313

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