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Date:      Wed, 20 Mar 1996 09:38:05 +0100 (MET)
From:      J Wunsch <j@uriah.heep.sax.de>
To:        freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers)
Cc:        dave@kachina.jetcafe.org (Dave Hayes)
Subject:   Re: Adding a damn 2nd disk
Message-ID:  <199603200838.JAA07178@uriah.heep.sax.de>
In-Reply-To: <199603200107.RAA16306@kachina.jetcafe.org> from "Dave Hayes" at Mar 19, 96 05:07:19 pm

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As Dave Hayes wrote:
> 
> (I'm really pissed, so I probably shouldn't be sending this. I'll
> try not to flame, no promises though.)

Well, and i hope i won't become too sarcastic about this. :)

> *Why* the hell is adding a 2nd disk to a currently running OS Guru
> level lore? 

Since some not so far distant day in the past, almost everything here
required an OS Guru.  If things became easier in many fields by now,
this is the result of the hard work of many people, who do this
(mostly) in their spare-time, and without receiving money for it.
They usually do what they'd like to see done there (and hey!, what do
you in your spare-time?), so this has the effect that some things are
being done almost instantly, while there are other things about nobody
of the hackers seems to be interested in.  msdosfs and installdisk
seem to belong to the latter, to name just two.

> It should be a turnkey operation like it is on other UNIX. 

Yes.  It should.

> Searching the archives and the docs produces *no* useful information,
> other than the fact that this is a FAQ and no one seems to answer it.

Then you've got a damn bad Usenet archive to search.

j@uriah 1009% fgrep -l disklabel /var/spool/news/comp/unix/bsd/freebsd/misc/*
/var/spool/news/comp/unix/bsd/freebsd/misc/14369
/var/spool/news/comp/unix/bsd/freebsd/misc/14372
/var/spool/news/comp/unix/bsd/freebsd/misc/14403
/var/spool/news/comp/unix/bsd/freebsd/misc/14463
/var/spool/news/comp/unix/bsd/freebsd/misc/14535
/var/spool/news/comp/unix/bsd/freebsd/misc/14642
/var/spool/news/comp/unix/bsd/freebsd/misc/14683
/var/spool/news/comp/unix/bsd/freebsd/misc/14715
/var/spool/news/comp/unix/bsd/freebsd/misc/14734
/var/spool/news/comp/unix/bsd/freebsd/misc/14754
/var/spool/news/comp/unix/bsd/freebsd/misc/14900
/var/spool/news/comp/unix/bsd/freebsd/misc/14959

This makes 12 articles mentioning the word "disklabel" (just picked
this one), for a repository with 10 days expiration time.  This is
more than one article per day on average.

> Yet the sysinstall program knows how to do it. Is that magic code 
> repackagable somewhere as "installdisk" or something? 

Not really.  The code of sysinstall is rather tightly hacked together,
and even the authors don't seem to be very proud about the internals
(though the outfit is *excellent*, and everybody appreciates the big
effort sysinstall has been compared to its predecessor).

> So to summarize: WHY ISN'T THIS EASIER and WHAT CAN SOMEONE DO
> TO MAKE IT EASIER. 

Since you haven't written the "installdisk" utility.  Neither do i,
but at least, i've already started writing one.  The actual result is
not very visible by now, except that there's a man page for libdisk(3)
now.  My day does only have 36 hours like that of anybody else here.
Many of them have to be spent in paywork.

-- 
cheers, J"org

joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE
Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)



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