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Date:      Wed, 29 Dec 2021 07:38:16 +0000
From:      bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org
To:        x11@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   [Bug 237544] graphics/drm-fbsd12.0-kmod: panic on 12-STABLE with Radeon HD 7450 (but not with drm-fbsd11.2-kmod)
Message-ID:  <bug-237544-7141-dPUWLhqP28@https.bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/>
In-Reply-To: <bug-237544-7141@https.bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #9 from Emmanuel Vadot <manu@freebsd.org> ---
(In reply to Alexey Dokuchaev from comment #8)

> Ideally graphics/drm-*-kmod ports should have never been tied to a partic=
ular version of *FreeBSD*,=20
> but tracked  that of *Linux* instead, so users could choose between e.g. =
drm-4.11-kmod, drm-4.16-kmod, or drm-5.4-kmod regardless of whether they're=
 running 12.x or -CURRENT.

In theory that could have been done, but that would have been a nightmare to
manage.
Also I don't see why we should give the possibility to users to install old
drivers, instead we should fix bugs in newer version if one have a problem,
something that I and others do regularly based on reports. None of us are
upstream DRM developers and we don't know the code base much as we only loo=
k at
some parts when we have some problems. You can't expect us drm-kmod people
(mostly wulf@ Greg V and I currently) to magically fix every bug. You can't
also expect us to have all supported hardware to test.

> My two-core, ten-year-old desktop at $work with Radeon HD 4350/4550 (RV71=
0) is running 2019'ish -CURRENT with drm-legacy-kmod-g20190213 and works fl=
awlessly for many months, rebooting only when there's a power outage.

 Congratulation on running old code on old hardware. RV710 is 14 years old =
not
ten, and in the GPU world 4 years is a *lot*. It's also using the radeonkms
driver which have more or less been abandonware upstream for quite some time
and again none of us are AMD/Radeon developers.

> Both 2D (movies) and 3D (games) are full and properly accelerated, CPU is=
 mostly idle, I can e.g. build -jX LLVM and watch some TV show fullscreen w=
ith no stuttering --=20
> something I cannot do on the four-core 2018 laptop with recent DRM bits.=
=20=20

 And something that *I* can do on all my Intel or AMD recent hardware.
 Did you open a PR here or on the github page for drm-kmod so we can (maybe)
help you ? (I don't remember a PR from you)

> Situation with graphics on FreeBSD had never been worse, AFAIR. :-(

This kind of comment is really hurtful, demotivating and simply mean.

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