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Date:      Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:52:25 -0800
From:      Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Steve Wills <swills@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        stable@FreeBSD.org, "K. Macy" <kmacy@FreeBSD.org>, =?UTF-8?B?eiBXxIVzaWtvd3NraQ==?= <lukasz@wasikowski.net>, Arnaud Lacombe <lacombar@gmail.com>, Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@leidinger.net>, "Bjoern A. Zeeb" <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net>, current@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: flowtable usable or not
Message-ID:  <4F500BB9.4040307@FreeBSD.org>
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On 2/29/2012 6:01 PM, Steve Wills wrote:
> On 02/29/12 13:17, K. Macy wrote:
>> .
>>>
>>> I tried it, on both FreeBSD routers, web systems, and database 
>>> servers; all on 8.2+. It still causes massive instability.
>>> Disabling the sysctl, and/or removing it from the kernel solved
>>> the problems.
> 
>> Routing I can believe, but I'm wondering how close attention you
>> paid to the workload. There are CDN networks with high uptimes and
>> shipping firewall products that use flowtable, so your mention of
>> web systems forces makes me ask for specifics.
> 
> 
> The failure I experienced was with web servers running 8.0 behind a F5
> load balancer in an HA setup. Whenever the failover happened, the web
> servers would continue sending to the wrong MAC address, despite the
> arp table updating. Disabling flowtable via the sysctl solved the
> problem. Maybe Doug's failure was similar, maybe not, but I thought
> I'd throw my $0.02 in.

Yes, that was part of it. On the web and db systems we had what I can
only describe as "general wackiness" with systems suddenly becoming
unreachable, etc. This was with a moderately complex network setup with
a combination of different VLANs, multiple interfaces, etc. The FreeBSD
routers would just plain panic on a semi-regular interval. Removing
flowtable made all this go away, and we've been quite stable since then.


hth,

Doug

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