Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 17:34:13 +0000 (UTC) From: Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com> To: FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>, Tim Daneliuk <tundra@tundraware.com> Subject: Re: Docker Message-ID: <1096316421.4975742.1681752853038@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <8714f66b-cd2a-2dd3-67ba-9313522ee1b6@tundraware.com> References: <20230329053443.6ADA6B6AFED5@dhcp-8e64.meeting.ietf.org> <CA%2B1FSijc%2B-OLNsyFNdR=jP3VzMi4zUE92i5iv9Pfg6AryDy_KQ@mail.gmail.com> <34b4b76e-1c41-4cfb-9e86-856f01e8abc9@app.fastmail.com> <CA%2B1FSihVrJ8cZ4ZU6mMr0sKJsZ98V4fh2vpDLugw7MGj-%2BEBPg@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSijL50mQ-HveBA4HZeNkSoaORv=aty-15nNLzn9amzY_nw@mail.gmail.com> <6002f636-310b-a9fd-b82f-346618976983@timpreston.net> <CA%2B1FSigV_pPwVW%2BDd8WZYGcNQVt7%2BYOcsnJFoRhS6jL5A636pg@mail.gmail.com> <20230412150350.12f97eb2c9dd566b8c8702d2@sohara.org> <CA%2B1FSihVPCQ6tp8u=aqnLyyOPpCMrnhYGcC8bCUgRbFHTdY5sA@mail.gmail.com> <1535315680.2770963.1681309684072@mail.yahoo.com> <20230412155252.5e38ea4728bd52dc798852fc@sohara.org> <1d0a7ed1-9330-49df-9b66-9ee4387de511@app.fastmail.com> <78F4160A-2D26-4A22-9139-A9132FC42688@ellael.org> <20230417133223.3ef5e26c.freebsd@edvax.de> <CA%2B1FSihn%2BB6LTUm7gof6Nd=niL5=dMvQ46HUv=NJ2%2BNhcLS7RQ@mail.gmail.com> <989A99FE-5DA3-4346-B886-32F8E64BA6F0@nimnet.asn.au> <8714f66b-cd2a-2dd3-67ba-9313522ee1b6@tundrawar e.com>
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ROFL.
Personally, I haven't see it yet. Again, I hated getting a CS degree. It was hell on wheels and kept running me over. The incredible amount of math, automata theory, etc, etc.Then, I got out in the 'real world'. I was thoroughly shocked at how people casually threw aside critical thinking, design, implementation, project planning, software engineering paradigms, and started to 'program' 10 years after I got out.
I would look at simple scripts for error checking and proper 'results return' from function... NOTHING. "Well, it's just a script, who cares?"
Problem... it carried into their programming practices as well.
Heck, when I was looking at the Assembler functions of two chips (had to be able to learn pointers and registers etc if you were going to use K&R C) in our Assembler class. One was just plain horrible and the other was almost magical in the way it worked..... Professor asked which was superior... 'magical one'.... "Yes, that's Motorola's 68000 series"..... "Professor, what's the junky one?" "Oh that's iNtel...." Look at where we are now?
Sometimes, people think due to market share and advertising, that something is superior. However, when you have a solid knowledge base (I can't possibly explain to people how many times 'THEORY' has come to my rescue to come up with a creative solution to a daunting problem and allow me to steer clear of pitfalls) and CONTINUE TO LEARN, you can actually form an INTELLIGENT decision. However, taking shortcuts, asking people to spoon feed you the answers.... that's like trying to cheat on exams as you go through life.... You never learn and you really never will.
Paul
On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 10:02:57 AM PDT, Tim Daneliuk <tundra@tundraware.com> wrote:
On 4/17/23 11:35, Ian Smith wrote:
> most would prefer to raise the average IQ
As an old, grumpy Boomer, I declare this to be so unlikely as to have 0% probability of happening ;)
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">ROFL.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Personally, I haven't see it yet. Again, I hated getting a CS degree. It was hell on wheels and kept running me over. The incredible amount of math, automata theory, etc, etc.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Then, I got out in the 'real world'. I was thoroughly shocked at how people casually threw aside critical thinking, design, implementation, project planning, software engineering paradigms, and started to 'program' 10 years after I got out. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I would look at simple scripts for error checking and proper 'results return' from function... NOTHING. "Well, it's just a script, who cares?"</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Problem... it carried into their programming practices as well. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Heck, when I was looking at the Assembler functions of two chips (had to be able to learn pointers and registers etc if you were going to use K&R C) in our Assembler class. One was just plain horrible and the other was almost magical in the way it worked..... Professor asked which was superior... 'magical one'.... "Yes, that's Motorola's 68000 series"..... "Professor, what's the junky one?" "Oh that's iNtel...." Look at where we are now?</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Sometimes, people think due to market share and advertising, that something is superior. However, when you have a solid knowledge base (I can't possibly explain to people how many times 'THEORY' has come to my rescue to come up with a creative solution to a daunting problem and allow me to steer clear of pitfalls) and CONTINUE TO LEARN, you can actually form an INTELLIGENT decision. However, taking shortcuts, asking people to spoon feed you the answers.... that's like trying to cheat on exams as you go through life.... You never learn and you really never will.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Paul</div><div><br></div>
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