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Date:      Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:10:01 -0800 (PST)
From:      Jin Guojun (FTG staff) <jin@george.lbl.gov>
To:        freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: kern/9399: If all memory fills up (VM and Real), nothing will run even if apps are closed to free up ram.  Shutdown will not always work, and kernel reboot is common without a message.
Message-ID:  <199901090210.SAA12671@freefall.freebsd.org>

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The following reply was made to PR kern/9399; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Jin Guojun (FTG staff) <jin@george.lbl.gov>
To: bellcanada@hotmail.com, freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG
Cc:  
Subject: Re: kern/9399: If all memory fills up (VM and Real), nothing will run even if apps are closed to free up ram.  Shutdown will not always work, and kernel reboot is common without a message.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:02:51 -0800 (PST)

 This is not a bug if you had swap smaller than the real memory.
 look this:
 
 last pid:  1170;  load averages:  0.28,  0.30,  0.25                   17:51:58
 39 processes:  3 running, 36 sleeping
 CPU states:  0.4% user,  0.0% nice,  0.4% system,  0.8% interrupt, 98.4% idle
 Mem: 37M Active, 6080K Inact, 14M Wired, 10M Cache, 8349K Buf, 26M Free
 Swap: 219M Total, 128K Used, 218M Free
 
   PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE    RES STATE    TIME   WCPU    CPU COMMAND
   418 jin       2   0  8284K  8120K select   4:57  1.79%  1.79% netscape
   378 jin       2   0  4340K  7908K select   2:20  1.18%  1.18% XF86_S3
 
 If you have 5 MB swap, how can you swap out any of above processes to start
 a new process :-)
 
 Generally, you should have at least 1.5 times the real memory for your swap.
 2.5 times of the real memory size swap is recommended.
 
 	-Jin
 
 > I originaly started with 20Megs of Ram, and a 5M swap.  The resason for the smal
 > l swap is because of drive space limitations.  Even thought the docs say 8M will
 >  work, that is not the case.  If the machine uses up all the ram and swap, it ba
 > sicly hangs.  You can type, and it is responsive, but you cannot run anything, n
 > ot even ls.  All fail with an error message like : Cannot malloc - out of memmor
 > y .... or somthing like that.
 > 
 > I did notice thought after increasing my swap from 5 to 15M, the machine still d
 > idn't do anything after running out of ram, but it did recover EVENTUALLY after 
 > closing everything (down to just a standard outside of X prompt).  
 > 

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