Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 13:39:49 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Michael Gmelin <freebsd@grem.de> Cc: Ceri Davies <ceri@submonkey.net>, Conrad Meyer <cem@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Reducing SIGINFO verbosity Message-ID: <CANCZdfq9fAJGrYOf-8-XWrZRyw6oQGWQ47vB7AeeOVO7f9DtsQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20230418123557.443cd189@bsd64.grem.de> References: <20210520180155.3e23500e@bsd64.grem.de> <20210520185917.GL14975@funkthat.com> <CAG6CVpWpDYid9F0fSWyyFVuh6SuNmV4HwEBQUKTCXDGfq6KwAw@mail.gmail.com> <YKe3coCxotoKBV0T@submonkey.net> <CANCZdfoJPB=-WMqH_Hd5ggGmY4GR2L7RJZpa_e9a2_ym5R4ZZA@mail.gmail.com> <20220619140624.21263e46@bsd64.grem.de> <CANCZdfpEP4SUGTE9LAOiEyEPaHps-b8a0v81yG-PK4skV37tPA@mail.gmail.com> <20230418123557.443cd189@bsd64.grem.de>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] Doh! Slipped through the cracks... Building test kernel now and will push if it succeeds and boots. Warner On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 4:36 AM Michael Gmelin <freebsd@grem.de> wrote: > > > On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 11:15:55 -0600 > Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 6:06 AM Michael Gmelin <freebsd@grem.de> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 21 May 2021 08:36:49 -0600 > > > Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 7:38 AM Ceri Davies <ceri@submonkey.net> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 03:57:17PM -0700, Conrad Meyer wrote: > > > > > > No, I don’t think there’s any reason to default it > > > > > > differently on stable > > > > > vs > > > > > > current. I think it’s useful (and I prefer the more verbose > > > > > > form, which isn’t the default). > > > > > > > > > > I agree that there's no reason for the default to be different, > > > > > but I would say that it is much easier for someone who knows > > > > > that there is a default to be changed to change it, than it is > > > > > for someone who does not. Therefore, if the information is not > > > > > useful to someone who does not know how to get rid of it, then > > > > > it should default to not being displayed, IMHO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I plan on changing the default for non-INVARIANT kernels back to > > > > the old behavior. > > > > > > > > INVARIANT kernels will keep this behavior because it's a debugging > > > > kernel and this is one more thing to help debugging problems. > > > > > > > > > > Did this ever happen? I just installed a fresh 13.1-RELEASE > > > production system (non-INVARIANT kernel) and it seems like SIGINFO > > > still outputs kernel stack information. > > > > > > > https://reviews.freebsd.org/D35576 for those who wish to weigh in. > > > > Warner > > > > > > Hi Warner, > > I just installed 13.2-RELEASE, seems like this was never MFCd (it is in > main, but not in stable/13 or releng/13.2). TBH, I could've checked > myself back then (it's so easy to forget to MFC). > > Cheers > Michael > > p.s. Learned about it by hitting ctrl-t to check if freebsd-update on my > slow test machine is actually alive :D > > -- > Michael Gmelin > [-- Attachment #2 --] <div dir="ltr">Doh! Slipped through the cracks... <div><br></div><div>Building test kernel now and will push if it succeeds and boots.</div><div><br></div><div>Warner</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 4:36 AM Michael Gmelin <<a href="mailto:freebsd@grem.de">freebsd@grem.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br> <br> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 11:15:55 -0600<br> Warner Losh <<a href="mailto:imp@bsdimp.com" target="_blank">imp@bsdimp.com</a>> wrote:<br> <br> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 6:06 AM Michael Gmelin <<a href="mailto:freebsd@grem.de" target="_blank">freebsd@grem.de</a>><br> > wrote:<br> > <br> > ><br> > ><br> > > On Fri, 21 May 2021 08:36:49 -0600<br> > > Warner Losh <<a href="mailto:imp@bsdimp.com" target="_blank">imp@bsdimp.com</a>> wrote:<br> > > <br> > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 7:38 AM Ceri Davies <<a href="mailto:ceri@submonkey.net" target="_blank">ceri@submonkey.net</a>><br> > > > wrote:<br> > > > <br> > > > > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 03:57:17PM -0700, Conrad Meyer wrote: <br> > > > > > No, I don’t think there’s any reason to default it<br> > > > > > differently on stable <br> > > > > vs <br> > > > > > current. I think it’s useful (and I prefer the more verbose<br> > > > > > form, which isn’t the default). <br> > > > ><br> > > > > I agree that there's no reason for the default to be different,<br> > > > > but I would say that it is much easier for someone who knows<br> > > > > that there is a default to be changed to change it, than it is<br> > > > > for someone who does not. Therefore, if the information is not<br> > > > > useful to someone who does not know how to get rid of it, then<br> > > > > it should default to not being displayed, IMHO.<br> > > > > <br> > > ><br> > > > I plan on changing the default for non-INVARIANT kernels back to<br> > > > the old behavior.<br> > > ><br> > > > INVARIANT kernels will keep this behavior because it's a debugging<br> > > > kernel and this is one more thing to help debugging problems.<br> > > > <br> > ><br> > > Did this ever happen? I just installed a fresh 13.1-RELEASE<br> > > production system (non-INVARIANT kernel) and it seems like SIGINFO<br> > > still outputs kernel stack information.<br> > > <br> > <br> > <a href="https://reviews.freebsd.org/D35576" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://reviews.freebsd.org/D35576</a>; for those who wish to weigh in.<br> > <br> > Warner<br> > <br> > <br> <br> Hi Warner,<br> <br> I just installed 13.2-RELEASE, seems like this was never MFCd (it is in<br> main, but not in stable/13 or releng/13.2). TBH, I could've checked<br> myself back then (it's so easy to forget to MFC).<br> <br> Cheers<br> Michael<br> <br> p.s. Learned about it by hitting ctrl-t to check if freebsd-update on my<br> slow test machine is actually alive :D<br> <br> -- <br> Michael Gmelin<br> </blockquote></div>help
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