Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:05:41 -0400 From: "Person, Roderick" <personrp@ccbh.com> To: 'Steve Tremblett' <sjt@cisco.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: ARRGH Netscape stinks! Message-ID: <46AEB8C1B628D511969200508B6FE42A6684A9@1upmc-msx6.isdip.upmc.edu>
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I see your point here. I have been a opera fan since before it was free. I
used the linux demo(60 day or something free then purchase it) on Fbsd and
was already to buy it when they came out with the ad version. I would like
to think that they came out with the ad version to compete with IE and NS
but I just could be dreaming here. AFAIK, they don't make anything else so
it would be hard for a browser company to try and break into that market.
Anyway, Opera is suppose to be HTML 4(or is it 3??) complaint not IE or NS
biased. But as someone who doesn't pay attention to ads most of the time,
I've never been bothered or even notice what ad are displayed on my Opera.
But now I'm curious about this junkbuster and such. I wonder if it will work
with Opera and will it speed up Opera?
Roderick P. Person
Programmer II
personrp@ccbh.com
"Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public mind."
- General William Westmoreland
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Tremblett [mailto:sjt@cisco.com]
> Sent: July 16, 2001 12:52 PM
> To: Person, Roderick
> Cc: 'Steve Tremblett'; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: ARRGH Netscape stinks!
>
>
> +---- Person, Roderick wrote:
> | why would you be morally opposite to 'Opera with that
> advertising crap' when
> | the vast majority of web sites have ads all over them?
> | Even your link has an ad on that page. I'm just curious. Of
> course you can
> | pay for Opera and get ride of the ads. But I would guess
> that would be more
> | oppositional that having ads :)
>
> Why would I invite MORE ads onto my desktop if I can barely stand the
> ones on the web? So intrusive and obnoxious. I can't change someone
> else's website, but given a choice (which I have in the programs I
> decide to use), I'm going to do without the ads thank you very much.
>
> And I _am_ willing to pay for software in the case of "we offer this
> for free but would appreciate your support", but not in the case where
> "this is annoying until you pay us". If I pay for it will they give
> special attention to a bug that I find (as opposed to a non-paying
> user)? I doubt it - I can't find out for sure because their damn
> website doesn't display properly in Netscape, which implies that they
> likely endorse Explorer extensions.
>
> It's all about reinforcement (remember Psych 101?) - every ad that is
> delivered to your desktop is a validation of their business model, and
> every one you click is double. Even if I see an ad that interests me,
> I NEVER click through it - I just open a new window and goto the site
> directly by address.
>
> To be honest, all this ad stuff became unbearable some time
> ago, I just
> have been to busy to investigate the solutions - I hear junkbuster is
> good. If a suitable one does not exist I'll make one myself.
>
> *sigh*
>
> Sorry for the offtopic rant! :)
>
> --
> Steve Tremblett
>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I see your point here. I have been a opera fan since =
before it was free. I used the linux demo(60 day or something free then =
purchase it) on Fbsd and was already to buy it when they came out with =
the ad version. I would like to think that they came out with the ad =
version to compete with IE and NS but I just could be dreaming here. =
AFAIK, they don't make anything else so it would be hard for a browser =
company to try and break into that market.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Anyway, Opera is suppose to be HTML 4(or is it 3??) =
complaint not IE or NS biased. But as someone who doesn't pay attention =
to ads most of the time, I've never been bothered or even notice what =
ad are displayed on my Opera. But now I'm curious about this junkbuster =
and such. I wonder if it will work with Opera and will it speed up =
Opera? </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Roderick P. Person</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Programmer II</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>personrp@ccbh.com</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>"Without censorship, things can get terribly =
confused in the public mind." </FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> - General William =
Westmoreland</FONT>
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<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: Steve Tremblett [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:sjt@cisco.com">mailto:sjt@cisco.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: July 16, 2001 12:52 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: Person, Roderick</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Cc: 'Steve Tremblett'; =
freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: Re: ARRGH Netscape stinks!</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> +---- Person, Roderick wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> | why would you be morally opposite to 'Opera =
with that </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> advertising crap' when</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> | the vast majority of web sites have ads all =
over them?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> | Even your link has an ad on that page. I'm =
just curious. Of </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> course you can</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> | pay for Opera and get ride of the ads. But I =
would guess </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> that would be more</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> | oppositional that having ads :)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Why would I invite MORE ads onto my desktop if =
I can barely stand the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ones on the web? So intrusive and =
obnoxious. I can't change someone</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> else's website, but given a choice (which I =
have in the programs I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> decide to use), I'm going to do without the ads =
thank you very much.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> And I _am_ willing to pay for software in the =
case of "we offer this</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> for free but would appreciate your =
support", but not in the case where</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> "this is annoying until you pay =
us". If I pay for it will they give</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> special attention to a bug that I find (as =
opposed to a non-paying</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> user)? I doubt it - I can't find out for =
sure because their damn</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> website doesn't display properly in Netscape, =
which implies that they</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> likely endorse Explorer extensions.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> It's all about reinforcement (remember Psych =
101?) - every ad that is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> delivered to your desktop is a validation of =
their business model, and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> every one you click is double. Even if I =
see an ad that interests me,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I NEVER click through it - I just open a new =
window and goto the site</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> directly by address.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To be honest, all this ad stuff became =
unbearable some time </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ago, I just</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> have been to busy to investigate the solutions =
- I hear junkbuster is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> good. If a suitable one does not exist =
I'll make one myself.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> *sigh*</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sorry for the offtopic rant! :)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Steve Tremblett</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
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