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Date:      Sun, 13 May 2001 13:41:45 -0700
From:      Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
To:        Stefan Parvu <sparvu@cc.hut.fi>
Cc:        Doug Young <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au>, Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>, Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in>, Kathy Quinlan <katinka@magestower.com>, Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au>, N6REJ <n6rej@tcsn.net>, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: I'm leaving
Message-ID:  <20010513134145.C62345@xor.obsecurity.org>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10105131454300.24647-100000@alpha.hut.fi>; from sparvu@cc.hut.fi on Sun, May 13, 2001 at 03:02:58PM %2B0300
References:  <003101c0dba1$181a7aa0$0300a8c0@oracle> <Pine.OSF.4.10.10105131454300.24647-100000@alpha.hut.fi>

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On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 03:02:58PM +0300, Stefan Parvu wrote:
>=20
> "default GUI install" is a subject to discuss. In my oppinion is not a
> good idea because:
>=20
> 1. The core OS should be simple and simple to install. No GUI for that.
> Make a comparations between Solaris, OpenBSD, Microsoft, Linux RedHat,
> Suse. Time it and think again. As well look to the complexity of GUI
> Install stuff.=20
>=20
> 2. The text mode is really cool. Is fast and it's simple. No extra effort.
>=20
> 3. No problems with video cards or VESA generic mode. Keep it simple. For
> what do you need install GUI ??? Comfort ? Help for new users ??? =20
>=20
> At least these 3 points makes a good point to keep the sysinstall stuff.
> If new users come and want to learn the stuff is simple: Grab a doc and
> read it. Why we should have a "right click" formula as Microsoft or other
> commercial UNIXes does ??? Sysinstall anyway is simple to use more than
> any GUI ...=20

You've misunderstood.  We're not talking about a replacement for
sysinstall (though that is -- slowly -- being developed with the full
understanding of what you said above in mind); we're talking about the
capability for sysinstall to install a Window Manager + desktop
environment for the user to provide a more friendly face than a csh
prompt.  Actually, we're not even talking about that; it's already
existed for some time -- we were talking about someone actually making
a nice, FreeBSD-customized desktop environment for one of the popular
WMs (I don't personally care which).

Kris

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