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Date:      Thu, 23 Nov 2000 02:38:03 -0800
From:      Noah Pratt <npratt@mail.com>
To:        shoe latif <slatif@petrosys.com>
Cc:        Sven Bentlage <S.Bentlage@gmx.de>, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD on Macintosh
Message-ID:  <3A1CF38B.D169550B@mail.com>
References:  <B63C684B.1D7%S.Bentlage@gmx.de> <3A19458F.97BEACB0@petrosys.com>

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Warning: precious little FreeBSD content

The borrowed stuff in the MacOS X kernel (Darwin) came primarily from
NeXT, which was in turn built on the Mach kerrnel. NeXT is where Steve
Jobs went after his first stint at Apple, and Apple got all of the NeXT
software when they got Jobs back. I'm not sure which one they
purchased... NeXT hardware ran on Motorola's 68030 and 68040 CPUs, the
same as the Macintosh models at that period of time.

I don't know if any active development is being done to port FreeBSD to
Apple hardware. However, NetBSD does run on both the 68K series and the
PowerPC series Macs, and has done so since 1992 or so.
http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/mac68k/
http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/
There's also Linux distro called Yellow Dog for Macintosh.

I'm not an expert by any means, just a fan of Macintosh and Apple.
(Gasp! Horror!) Well, a fan of the old Macs and the old Apple. My first
computer was a 68000 powered Mac SE from 1988. I still use it from time
to time... I still find Hypercard to be amazing in its ability to
transform ordinary users into creative and productive programmers. Does
anything like this exist for FreeBSD? Does anyone here know or care what
I'm talking about?

My current FreeBSD/Winders/WindersNT triple-boot system is a 700MHz
Athlon with 8 times as much memory on the video card as the SE has for
system memory (it's maxed at 4MB!), so you may all stop pitying me now.


from http://www.apple.com/macosx/technologies/inside.html :
<plagiarism>
Mac OS X is Unix-savvy
Mac OS X supports POSIX file system semantics and NFS file sharing, as
well as standard services like telnet and FTP, allowing easy operability
with UNIX systems and applications. The system=92s kernel =97 the part th=
at
does the heavy lifting =97 is based on Mach 3.0 from Carnegie-Mellon
University and FreeBSD 3.2 (derived from the University of California at
Berkeley=92s BSD 4.4-Lite), the most highly regarded core technologies
from two of the most widely acclaimed OS projects of the modern era. We
also took the famous Apache web server =97 which runs over half the
websites on the Internet =97 and made it friendly enough to use on your
desktop for personal file sharing.
</plagairism>


Sorry about the ramble,

-Noah


shoe latif wrote:
> =

> the new mac os x is supposed to have been built on freebsd. i think it'=
s worth
> checking out. last time i checked i think it was still in beta. i only =
got to
> play with it for a little while, i actually was wondering where you wou=
ld make
> kernel modifications like for natd, i couldn't find the kernel. then ag=
ain i
> wasn't looking too hard.
> =

> shoe
> =

> Sven Bentlage wrote:
> =

> > Hi!
> > I=B4m a total newbie to FreeBSD. So some questions might have been as=
ked
> > before, but I=B4d still be grateful for answers-
> > 1. is there any way to run FreeBSD on a Macintosh (iMac, G3 400 Mhz, =
64 MB
> > RAM)?
> > 2. Is there any support for ADSL?
> > 3. Where can I find detailed explanations abot FreeBSD firewalls? And=
 can I
> > run a FreeBSD system on a 486 PC?
> >
> > Thanks for answering my questions.
> >
> > Sven
> =

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