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Date:      Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:27:24 -0700
From:      Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org>
To:        "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: DHCP server in base
Message-ID:  <4C91100C.5060502@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <20100915.082513.802140508206832836.imp@bsdimp.com>
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On 9/15/2010 7:25 AM, M. Warner Losh wrote:

> Yea.  I agree too.  Just because BIND was EOLd in 6 isn't a great
> argument against dhcp server.

That rather clearly was not the only element of my argument, and not 
only is it disingenuous for you to indicate that it was, I don't 
appreciate you doing so.

> Most of the code is there anyway, and it isn't evolving as fast as BIND.

That is actually a more rational argument, even if I don't agree with 
it. FWIW, part of the reason that I don't agree with it is that at some 
point, hopefully in the near future, we will want to include the DHCPv6 
client in the mix somewhere; and when we do the code base is not going 
to be as stable as we have enjoyed so far with the v4 dhclient.

> It would be very convenient to have this particular thing in the base,
> and we shouldn't be too dogmatic about never having any new 3rd party
> things in the base.  After all, we just added more compression
> utilities to the base, and nobody said a peep.

I actually thought that change was rather silly, but it was clear that 
there was so much critical mass in favor of it that there was no point 
in stating a dissenting opinion. As part of the project's leadership you 
should be careful not to mistake silence for agreement, or worse, support.

> This is analogous: we
> have good opportunity to integrate into the system, and users benefit
> from that integration.

Given your perspective of wanting more of a complete system in the base 
I can certainly see how you would be supportive of this change. My 
intent was to make the argument in a general way that this is the wrong 
direction to go, and that users would benefit *more* from a robust 
modularized system. The fact that the v4 DHCPd might accidentally be a 
good candidate for including in the base today doesn't mean that doing 
so is the right strategy for the long term.


Doug

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