Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:09:59 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson <cls@raggedclown.net> To: FreeBSD Chat <FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Bystander shot by a spam filter. Message-ID: <20030102100959.GF12408@raggedclown.net> In-Reply-To: <200301020611.h026BC192518@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> References: <200301020611.h026BC192518@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org>
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> Um, lol. If you are calling California a land of normal people, you > obviously don't live here. Lots of oranges though. > > >> It also means we lose most of our artists and free thinkers. > > Free thinkers, bah. They all got shot at Attica. > > That, also, does not necessarily follow, unless you are a strict > > structuralist, and believe in genetic predestiny. > > Labels. Nothing but labels. > Handy for, errmm labeling things. > >> I don't think you want that. > > > > That's irrelevent to the discussion, I think. > > But true regardless, I'd say. > > >> >> Grim. I don't buy this, of course, but it paints a grim picture. > >> > > >> > Human societies have always been, in the limit, In the limit ? If you are going to discuss things, use language morons like me understand. > >> >willing to turn > >> > to the use of force in order to achieve their ends. It is the > >> > nature of humans to do this. > >> Bollocks. It is the nature of humans to do as little as possible. > >> This is exactly why humans, as a race, have not evolved past the level > >> they are at. > > That level being ? George Bush ? Napalming babies ? Bringing the world to the edge of a hideous war (see George Bush above). Telling other countries not to have any of those naughty weapons, while possessing tons of them itself. A country that publicly electrocutes people ? You know even in Europe we worry about fundamentalism. But Europeans, in general, with the exception of the British Government, despise America. It is so fond of itself, so sure it is right. Interferes at every possible opportunity. Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Panama, Grenada...CIA involvement in bringing down goverments... And how can a country, so full of intelligence, lie to itself about itself ? How can the fiasco that brought George Bush to power occur in any so-called civilised country ? And all the fuss about Clinton's lies about his sex life, so you replace a man with an idiot. Actually Clinton once told a bigger lie, America *did* invent the transistor. It *did not* invent the digital computer. > > Spilt milk. If you feel strongly enough about it, then sell out > > for a short period of time (play by the rules as they are, rather > > than as you would prefer them to be), get rich, buy land, and > > establish your own little "Helstrom's Hive". > > I don't suppose you'll ever understand why I consider this irrelevant > and useless. > > >> > And your point in stating that is supposed to be what? > >> > >> There's two. Your definitions can't possibly be useful. You > >> ultimately believe in an objective reality. > > > > I'm not a nihilist, if that's what you're getting at... > > Again the labels. The point was, you still have a belief there. > You cannot verify objective reality, any methods you use are based > in the same thing you are trying to verify. > Strangely enough I had a discussion with my 15 year old son about this very topic the other day. You see this fallacy, is easily disproved. Stand outside my front door and let me drop a brick on your head. The pain may not be "objective", but it will hurt non the less. You both, if you are a both, or maybe this is "The Fight Club" ? Should study some Mayhajana Buddhism, particularly on the subject of relative and absolute reality. > >> >> Therefore all argument with you along this line of reality is > >> >> futile. It's like trying to argue me out of wanting to see True > >> >> Free Speech everywhere...quite impossible but perhaps entertaining at > >> >> times. > >> > > >> > Anytime someone uses "true" as an adjective, you know they are > >> > redefining something... > >> > >> Well...duh. ;) > > > > I suppose you've met Richard Stallman and Joy Beech, then? > > I've met and admire the former, I've no clue on the latter. > Your redirection aside, our arguments really are futile. Your > a <label you'll agree to having> and I'm a <label I'll agree > to having> and we can't see eye to eye. *shrug* > > Why either of us continue is another matter. When I was a parasitic drug-crazed hippy student, I used to thumb rides all the time. I seemed to attract people determined to convert me to Christianity. They believed that a carpenter, born to a virgin, with delusions that he was the son of God, explained the whole caboodle. Needless to say, at 18 I was not buying this trip. I rather spent my time in the University library working out how I could synthesise various illegal substances (Unsuccessfully I may add). My University had a huge library, but, although a Science student, all references to the synthesising of LSD had been removed. I gave this matter some thought at the time. Just after stealing a Herman Hesse book from the campus bookshop, it was a political act you understand. Anyway I decided then, as I believe now, that no society should be allowed to stop me from damaging myself. A society has a duty to stop me from damaging others. This is why a country like The USA is the most arse-facing society of all. While banning people from taking drugs, it creates a crime culture. This culture being heavily stimulated by the NRA, moronic untalented actors like .. I have forgotten his name .. Charlton Heston, who can never be accused of making a good film, who promote a gun culture. Yes and we all know the author of "fetchmail" supports this as well, I believe he even said once that everybody "ought to be obliged to carry a gun". I live in Holland. The police guns go rusty from under-use. I know of no-one who owns a gun. Gun-crime is almost unheard of. Guns were designed with a single purpose in mind. To kill. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle does not apply here. When that bullet enters my body. I know damn well where it is. This of course is all irrelevant to the discussion here. But since that discussion is about as useful as trying to teach a dead mouse how to play Macbeth *convincingly* I claim the right to join the fruitcakes :) > >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< Prove it :) > -- Regards Cliff Sarginson The Netherlands [ This mail has been checked as virus-free ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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