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Date:      Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:24:20 +0100
From:      Gary Jennejohn <gary.jennejohn@freenet.de>
To:        Bruce Simpson <bms@incunabulum.net>
Cc:        Andrew Reilly <andrew-freebsd@areilly.bpc-users.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Andriy Gapon <avg@icyb.net.ua>
Subject:   Re: weeding out c++ keywords from sys/sys
Message-ID:  <20090215182420.774b90c3@ernst.jennejohn.org>
In-Reply-To: <49983868.5010107@incunabulum.net>
References:  <4995BB1B.7060201@icyb.net.ua> <20090213231513.GA20223@duncan.reilly.home> <4997F105.5020409@icyb.net.ua> <499811DF.6030905@incunabulum.net> <20090215151318.0d17bfb9@ernst.jennejohn.org> <49983868.5010107@incunabulum.net>

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On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:44:40 +0000
Bruce Simpson <bms@incunabulum.net> wrote:

> Gary Jennejohn wrote:
> ...
> > It isn't exactly confidence building that all the links on this page
> > are invalid.
> >   
> 
> I was able to access all of the links on that page without problems from 
> archive.org.
> The original content has moved, this seems to be due to a 
> re-organisation within the university concerned.
> Can you mention exactly which links were invalid for you?
> 

Every one of them.  Didn't think to try the wayback machine.

> You personally may not be writing systems to run fast and low-level in 
> C++, but I can think of at least 3 people I know personally who have 
> done and continue to do so. Given, they are folk who have spent a long 
> time learning C++ -- the tool has a steep learning curve, and Bjarne 
> Stroustrup himself would no doubt be the first to admit this.
> 

OT: Actually it has a flat learning curve which implies a longer time
span.  However, most people use steep incorrectly in this context, which
I always find irksome.

I've used C++ and hated it - mostly because the customer who required
it had the most screwed up ideas regarding how to develop the
application.  He made the mistake of hiring an external "expert" to
come up with classes, etc.  The "expert" had no idea what he was doing
in the context of the project and the customer eventually went belly
up as a result.

I personally see no benefit in using C++ in the kernel, but don't let
my opinion stop progress from happening.  I certainly have no intention
of ever using it myself.

---
Gary Jennejohn



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