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Date:      Sun, 21 Aug 2016 14:45:05 +0800
From:      Erich Dollansky <erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com>
To:        Kubilay Kocak <koobs@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        freebsd-stable <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Re: Benchmarks results for FreeBSD 11
Message-ID:  <20160821144505.27c0f55d@X220.alogt.com>
In-Reply-To: <af0fefab-69d7-f0a9-3d6d-4a9891d5a156@FreeBSD.org>
References:  <20160819073422.4292997b@X220.alogt.com> <af0fefab-69d7-f0a9-3d6d-4a9891d5a156@FreeBSD.org>

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Hi,

On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 15:21:01 +1000
Kubilay Kocak <koobs@FreeBSD.org> wrote:

> On 19/08/2016 9:34 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > 
> > I am sure that some know of this site:
> > 
> > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=2bsd-7linux-bench&num=4
> >
> >  I wonder about the results for FreeBSD. As I do not have 11 on my 
> > machines, a stupid question. Are there still some debugging aids 
> > enabled in 11?  
> 
> They're off in those versions, but did note compiler (and compiler
> args) differences between within most tests (See attachments) as you
> mentioned.
> 
the benchmark then compares the off-the-shelve distributions.
> 
> > I know that some of the results are caused by the use of CLang and
> > some of the results test applications/compilers and not operating
> > systems.  
> 
> gcc/clang tests and defaults in upstream build systems are almost
> certainly contributors. At a minimum it would be nice to see an
> attempt to standardise (force) compiler args across all OS runs for
> the same test, even if this doesn't prove to be perfect.

Yes, without, he compares compilers more than operating systems.
> 
> Separating or adding tests for the same tests using non-default
> compilers (in particular latest GCC versions from ports) so they match
> across OS's would also be valuable.
> 
> At a minimum it would be worth Michael highlighting the differences,
> and ideally removing these variables from the tests, even if they
> aren't default configurations. Though a test of out of the box
> configurations is still valuable, it can serve to muddy the
> underlying differences and make them tougher to isolate.

He never does this. I have no idea what he wants to achieve with his
benchmarking all the while as the results are very difficult to compare
with real life workloads.

Erich


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