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Date:      Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:48:43 +0000
From:      Christoph Kukulies <kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE>
To:        Luigi Rizzo <luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>
Cc:        Christoph Kukulies <kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE>, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: conferencing tools, Netmeeting, Communicator
Message-ID:  <19980209184843.53441@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de>
In-Reply-To: <199802091543.QAA14330@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>; from Luigi Rizzo on Mon, Feb 09, 1998 at 04:43:03PM %2B0100
References:  <199802091804.SAA11097@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> <199802091543.QAA14330@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>

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On Mon, Feb 09, 1998 at 04:43:03PM +0100, Luigi Rizzo wrote:
> > I would like to get a picture of the conferencing tools
> > situation once more. There are solutions working in the Win32 field
> ...
> > a remote Windows screen to the caller (a thing that X windows had
> > per se from it's initial design but it's quite unlikely that one will
> > be able to export a windows screen by means of these tools
> > to the X11 world - despite of looking at things like NTrigue or such)
> 
> nv has a nice feature called "X11 grabber" which would use a window
> as the video source. It is very very useful, in many cases much
> more than having a real camera. Too bad vic does not have one such
> thing.

Yes, I know that feature. But NV it out of discussion for conferencing
now due to it's high bandwidth consumption and lack of the more
sophisticated compression protocols (AFAIK).

> 
> I have an X11 grabber in the works for vic but am working on it at
> very low pace (it currently has some problems with colors...) and
> my repeated requests for help did not find any taker.

I meant not just viewing a portion of the opponents screen, it's taking
over the mouse control etc. - that's what MS Netmeeting does. Well,
the 'two worlds' begin to diverge even more, sigh.

> 
> > I wonder if there could be made a working Communicator version
> > with audio/video now that Netscape will be releasing source code
> > for their browsers this quarter - they said.
> 
> provided you can make plugins work (they do work on Communicator
> 4.0X, but the beast consumes almost 16MB of memory by itself, twice
> the already large footprint of 3.0x, and I refuse to use such large
> programs if not forced), you can use the "xswallow" program to import
> vic/vat/etc in netscape...
> 
> > Under NT, btw, I had very satisfactory results with the cheapo (20 $)
> > Opti 931 based ISA sound cards allowing full duplex.
> > BTW, what is the status of support for the Opti 931
> > chipset (Luigi?) I once learned this chipset to be broken but
> 
> it works well in full duplex with my driver, since i have a few of
> them, and managed to circumvent the "features" and misbehaviours
> of the card. I am using it routinely for internet telephony from
> home.

Oh, that's good news :-) Is that under 2.2.5-R or do I need -current?

> 
> 	cheers
> 	luigi
> -----------------------------+--------------------------------------
> Luigi Rizzo                  |  Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione
> email: luigi@iet.unipi.it    |  Universita' di Pisa
> tel: +39-50-568533           |  via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy)
> fax: +39-50-568522           |  http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/
> _____________________________|______________________________________

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Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de

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