Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:15:38 -0500 (EST) From: Mikhail Teterin <mi@aldan.algebra.com> To: will@csociety.org Cc: will@FreeBSD.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: WANT_KDE_NDEBUG (Re: cvs commit: ports/audio/kdemultimedia2...) Message-ID: <200201080615.g086Ffl32866@aldan.algebra.com> In-Reply-To: <20020107232825.U73815@squall.waterspout.com>
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On 7 Jan, Will Andrews wrote: > On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 11:21:39PM -0500, Mikhail Teterin wrote: >> Shouldn't this be a default for the port building too? Those building >> from port, should not need to know a separate (and obscure) option... > > No. I assume people who build things from a port are possibly going to > debug source code. Yours truly is an example of the breakage of this assumption. IMO, the default builds have to be optimized for speed. > People who want debug-free binaries should use the packages. This pushing towards packages is an alarming trend... > But I won't force that on them. You are forcing it. By introducing build-time options, which are obscure and can only be noticed by reading the (very complex) Makefile -- or the commit logs :-) > Not to mention that with the debugging code, they'll be able to send > me more useful backtraces. FreeBSD (rightfully) touts its ports collection as a wonderfull way to add third party software to a user's installation. It is NOT for backtraces-submitting geeks only. If you can not imagine a normal human being to be building a port, I offer you this scenario: an admin building some of the packages on her own box, then installing them on the administered workstations... Port is not merely a way to build a package (.tgz, .deb, .rpm). It is a piece of software in itself... > It's not my fault that ports sucks for notifying users of special > options in particular ports. Well, it is not my fault either... -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message
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