Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 16:27:22 -0500 From: Kyle Evans <kevans@FreeBSD.org> To: Jake Freeland <jake@technologyfriends.net>, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org>, Warner Losh <imp@freebsd.org>, src-committers@freebsd.org, dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org Subject: Re: git: af93fea71038 - main - timerfd: Move implementation from linux compat to sys/kern Message-ID: <92544c55-853c-5ab8-720b-b066e9cad5b0@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <CAOgZAGa7%2BOGmPsAu=OyaMvva2Bw9CLPJLPucvnFMyzXXDr3iag@mail.gmail.com> References: <202308242029.37OKTmVs091755@gitrepo.freebsd.org> <ZOyQQgOAap9L7OT1@FreeBSD.org> <CANCZdfqqahUmXxh6sGiPgiGUJCAqiyXjV-x8XT3Nku7007L7fw@mail.gmail.com> <CAOgZAGa7%2BOGmPsAu=OyaMvva2Bw9CLPJLPucvnFMyzXXDr3iag@mail.gmail.com>
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On 8/28/23 16:12, Jake Freeland wrote: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 11:19 AM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com > <mailto:imp@bsdimp.com>> wrote: > > Added cc for Jake > > On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 6:17 AM Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org > <mailto:danfe@freebsd.org>> wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 08:29:48PM +0000, Warner Losh wrote: > > commit af93fea710385b2b11f0cabd377e7ed6f3d97c34 > > > > timerfd: Move implementation from linux compat to sys/kern > > > > Move the timerfd impelemntation from linux compat code to > sys/kern. > > Could you quickly summarize why we need these linuxish bits in > FreeBSD? > We've lived for years without it. Had expected to find the > rationale > in DR but alas. :( Thanks, > > > The amount of software designed exclusively for Linux grows every day. > Support for FreeBSD is almost always done on behalf of FreeBSD > contributors, not the program developers. > > I do not want to play the cat-and-mouse game of constantly updating > shims so we can support Linux software. I would rather take the > sensible* parts of Linux and integrate them into core FreeBSD. > > My goal is not to turn FreeBSD into Linux, but rather to stay relevant > in an age where most younger developers don't even know what BSD is. We > should spend more resources on Linux program support, so younger > audiences can use their Discord web apps natively on FreeBSD. > > Absorbing "linuxish" bits is controversial and I think that is a > tragedy. In my eyes, having "linuxish" features is one of the best ways > to ease the jump between Linux and FreeBSD, and minimize the maintenance > needed for FreeBSD support. > +1. We're not in the game of adopting Linuxisms for the sake of it, but rather where they make sense (either they're obviously a good thing, or they simply make it easier to write portable scripts/code without damaging the quality of our code, like long options). Remaining different for the sake of remaining different is way more silly than adopting sensible features. > * > https://ariadne.space/2021/06/06/actually-bsd-kqueue-is-a-mountain-of-technical-debt/ <https://ariadne.space/2021/06/06/actually-bsd-kqueue-is-a-mountain-of-technical-debt/>; > Jake Freeland > Thanks, Kyle Evans
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