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Date:      Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:35:52 -0700 (PDT)
From:      "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
To:        gary@eyelab.psy.msu.edu (Gary Schrock)
Cc:        current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: On hub.freebsd.org refusing to talk to dialups
Message-ID:  <199909241735.KAA03460@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990924130644.00a84dd0@eyelab.msu.edu> from Gary Schrock at "Sep 24, 1999 01:10:56 pm"

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> At 03:00 AM 9/24/1999 -0700, you wrote:
> >Another thing that ISP coulds start doing (we are in process with
> >this now, but on a monitoring only basis, instead of a deny we
> >just log them) is to block all outbound from AS tcp 25 setup packets.
> 
> Hmm, maybe I'm interpreting this wrong (I hope so), but I interpret this as 
> saying that basically you'd only be able to mail things through your local 
> isp's mailhost.  It means that if you use several different mail servers, 
> all mail would still have to go through the local isp's.  Personally, I 

Yep, thats exactly what I am saying.

> would immediately unsubscribe to any isp that decided this was acceptable 
> behavior on their part.  I use the mail server at work for all my outgoing 
> mail.  Why?  Because the machine is lightly loaded and I don't have to 
> worry about my mail getting lost in the depths of my isp's mail server for 
> a couple hours because their loads tend to run high.  (Hell, I don't 
> generally even use the email account provided by the local isp because of 
> load issues, my work account is so much more reliable).

Our outbound smarthost smtp server is carefully monitor, has never lost
a single mail message, and screaming fast at getting email out.  After
all we also run commercial opt-in bulk emailing for large clients and
we do know how to get 100's of thosands of messages out in a real fast
way.  Probably mork work has been put into our smarthost than any company
has bothered to put into thier smtp relay.

Your work also has a serious security concern if it allows this you to
directly attatch to it's port 25.  Can you say firewall circumvention...
I thought so.

-- 
Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25)                    rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net


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