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Date:      Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:51:25 +1000
From:      "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au>
To:        "Kevin McCarty" <mccark@sage.edu>, "Gail Pickett" <gmpicket@icx.net>
Cc:        <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>, "m l mack" <mlmack@speakeasy.org>
Subject:   Re: newbies
Message-ID:  <00ea01bfaa41$07c2b420$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER>
References:  <Pine.GSO.4.21.0004191107300.10581-100000@zeus>

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Came here OK :)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin McCarty" <mccark@sage.edu>
To: "Gail Pickett" <gmpicket@icx.net>
Cc: "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au>;
<freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>; "m l mack" <mlmack@speakeasy.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 1:08 AM
Subject: Re: newbies


>
> Hello and good day, could someone respond if they get this message.....
> I ahve posted numerous messages and have not gotten any response.
> thanks
> kevin
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 17 Apr 2000, Gail Pickett wrote:
>
> > I have been living with and learning FreeBSD for six months now, and I
am
> > indebted to the FreeBSD mailing list archives for the wealth of
> > information and usable answers provided within.  I am still trying to
get
> > my machine completely set up; I guess this is an on going process that
> > never ends.
> >
> > Overall the handbook, tutorials and manpages are excellent.  I would
like
> > to see more examples included with the manpages.  Many manpages, the
> > first time I look at them, are like reading greek; an example or two of
> > the most commonly used variations of a command would save lots of time
and
> > errors.
> >
> > The manpages also seem to forget the obvious sometimes.  I started
> > playing with crontab recently.  To edit a user's crontab, you have to
use
> > invoke the command
> >
> > # crontab -u username -e
> >
> > and do this as root.  The manpage doesn't mention this anywhere; I got
> > this info from the mailing list archives.
> >
> > I spent four days setting up userland ppp.  Mostly because my machine's
> > BIOS was incorrectly setting the speed for the serial port that the
> > modem uses.  The instructions were great, but they covered some hundred
> > pages (I cheated and printed them out with the MS Windows machine at
> > work) - ppp manpage, pendantic ppp primer, example ppp.conf file, etc.
> >
> > I have given up on my printer.  I have noticed that over the six months
of
> > not being able to print that my piles of paper cluttering my home have
> > just about disappeared.  I have decided to go 'paperless' at home, with
> > the exception of my weekly grocery list.  So some good has come out of
not
> > being able to learn how to setup something for my FreeBSD machine.  :)
> >
> > Back to troubleshooting crontab and my disapearing mail...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Doug Young wrote:
> >
> > > Hear hear !!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > All those experts out there please take notice
> > >
> > > Someone new to a subject doesn't need to know about all the bells &
> > > whistles, provision of information suitable for an expert will only
confuse
> > > them further.
> > > I believe that documentation should be prepared by the most junior
person
> > > available and not some geek with 458 years experience .... at least
then it
> > > will probably contain ALL the necessary steps.
> > >
> > > The basics of unix are for the most part extremely simple ... its only
the
> > > documentation that makes it complicated. I've been working on an entry
level
> > > install / configure text for members of our non-profit internet access
> > > group, and in its basic text  form this reduces the information needed
to
> > > some 7 pages of A4.
> > > I'm now putting together a picturebook format so that its even more
explicit
> > > :)
> > > The document is intended to allow a total newbie with no prior
experience of
> > > unix / linux / etc to install FreeBSD & configure it as a gateway,
with
> > > sendmail, cuciopop, ppp, apache all working with no aggro in only an
hour or
> > > two.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "m l mack" <mlmack@speakeasy.org>
> > > To: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 7:34 AM
> > > Subject: newbies
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear Sirs,
> > > >
> > > > As one who doesn't know Unix from Eunuchs, I beg you to consider
this
> > > > teaching technique. Once, instruction books started out by walking
you
> > > > through a number of everyday tasks you were going to have to master.
It
> > > > wasn't until you got the basics down, that theory and structure were
> > > > introduced. These days theory always comes first which often leaves
the
> > > > truly ignorant more lost than they were to begin with. If someone
came out
> > > > with an old fashioned manual, I might be able to learn this. Please
help
> > > me
> > > > get away from Windows.
> > > >
> > > > m l mack
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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