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Date:      Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:51:50 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Chris Coleman <chrisc@vmunix.com>
To:        Gregory Sutter <gsutter@pobox.com>
Cc:        "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>, brian@pobox.com, Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Marketing FreeBSD / FreeBSD as a pr
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.10.9908091251000.17479-100000@vnode.vmunix.com>
In-Reply-To: <19990806223121.T10541@forty-two.egroups.net>

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My wife is currently working on a FreeBSD 4.0 CD cover.  Her work will not
be free, but it should be very good.

Chris Coleman
Daemon News Editor in Chief
http://www.daemonnews.org
Bringing BSD together

On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Gregory Sutter wrote:

> Jordan,
> 
> You know how you're constantly talking about having huge numbers of 
> things that need to be done, and nobody actually doing them?  Well...
> 
> >On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 05:48:44PM -0700, Brian McGroarty wrote:
> > > If the advocacy team wants to work on turning the FreeBSD
> > > 4.0-RELEASE release into a major event, I'll contribute articles
> 
> 1.  Brian will contribute articles.
> 
> > > on how it's helped me develop for the Nintendo 64, foot the bill
> > > to enlist a couple artists' help in producing a nice cover and
> 
> 2.  Brian will pay the bill for cover artwork for a CDROM.
> 
> > > help strategize a nice PR maneuver to coincide with release. I
> 
> 3.  Brian will assist with PR, something that is sorely needed.
> 
> > > *strongly* believe in FreeBSD, and I'll do what I can to help it
> > > along.
> 
> 4.  He is planning unspecified future help in addition to the three
>     things above.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 09:51:31PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > I've also said many times that anyone with better artwork to suggest
> > need only step forward with said artwork and I'd be more than happy to
> > consider it - where do you think the original "daemon walking out of a
> > CD" artwork came from?
> 
> You didn't say it to him.
> 
> > I've also since spent around $1500 commissioning various bits of
> > artwork which nobody seems to like, so if people really have a jones
> > to see new artwork they're going to have to start drawing it and
> > sending it in because I'm tired of throwing money away.
> 
> You won't have to throw money away.  Brian has graciously offered
> to have it drawn at no charge to FreeBSD or Walnut Creek.
>  
> > > But first TPTB need to accept that marketing and presentation
> > > are every bit as important as anything else in realizing broad
> > > distribution. Even breaking in media takes something that looks
> > 
> > Of course we realize that, we're not idiots.  However, I fail to see
> > how your original comments attacking the daemon constitute a "positive
> > contribution" to changing this.
> 
> This was a preliminary suggestion, and was quickly withdrawn when the
> result of the suggestion became apparent. Not everyone is intimately
> familiar with the innards of BSD culture. A lesson was learned, and
> the other offers still extended. You are fixating on one point, and
> that point was a quickly dropped part of an offer to do service for
> the FreeBSD Project.  I cannot believe that you are so hostile 
> toward potential contributions.  You should reread and think about 
> this offer again, if it's not too late.
> 
> Greg
> -- 
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