Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 22:59:26 +0900 From: Takuya ASADA <syuu@dokukino.com> To: "owner-freebsd-net@freebsd.org" <owner-freebsd-net@freebsd.org> Cc: "support@pvd.citizen.co.jp" <support@pvd.citizen.co.jp>, "jfv@freebsd.org" <jfv@freebsd.org>, John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-net@freebsd.org" <freebsd-net@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Adding Flow Director sysctls to ixgbe(4) Message-ID: <8C8C6061-2BD8-4B38-843E-A0BA1218B773@dokukino.com> In-Reply-To: <OF20882789.90B73961-ON48257906.000A66BA-48257906.000AA7D1@sml.citizen.co.jp> References: <CALG4x-W99OZxd=1ZDvW4=MBqeE3RPOazc7jc_3O30X-Pou3k8Q@mail.gmail.com> <1315221674.3092.282.camel@deadeye> <201109080834.11607.jhb@freebsd.org> <20110908184928.GA87872@hub.freebsd.org> <37419C45-4436-4738-851B-2B765BC2C60F@neville-neil.com> <1315529074.2804.63.camel@bwh-desktop> <OF20882789.90B73961-ON48257906.000A66BA-48257906.000AA7D1@sml.citizen.co.jp>
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Hi, On Sep 9, 2011, at 10:56 AM, owner-freebsd-net@freebsd.org wrote: > On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 01:44:34AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: >> On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 20:13 -0400, George Neville-Neil wrote: >>> On Sep 8, 2011, at 14:49 , Navdeep Parhar wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 08:34:11AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: >>>>> On Monday, September 05, 2011 7:21:12 am Ben Hutchings wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 2011-09-05 at 15:51 +0900, Takuya ASADA wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I implemented Ethernet Flow Director sysctls to ixgbe(4), here's a detail: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Adding removing signature filter >>>>>>> On linux version of ixgbe driver, it has ability to set/remove perfect >>>>>>> filter from userland using ethtool command. >>>>>>> I implemented similar feature, but on sysctl, and not perfect filter >>>>>>> but signature filter(which means hash collision may occurs). >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> >>>>>> Linux also has a generic interface to RX filtering and hashing >>>>>> (ethtool_rxnfc) which ixgbe supports; wouldn't it be better for FreeBSD >>>>>> to support something like that? >>>>> >>>>> Some sort of shared interface might be nice. The cxgb(4) and cxgbe(4) drivers >>>>> both provide their own tools to manipulate filters, though they do not >>>>> provide explicit steering IIRC. >>>> >>>> Both of them can filter as well as steer (and the tools let you do that). >>>> cxgbe(4) can do a lot more (rewrite + switch, replicate, etc.) but those >>>> features are perhaps too specialized to be configurable via a general >>>> purpose tool. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> We would need to come up with some sort of standard interface (ioctls?) for >>>>> adding filters however. >>>> >>>> +1 for a standard interface. >>>> >>>> imho the kernel needs to be aware of the rx and tx queues of a NIC, and >>>> not just for steering. But that's a separate discussion. >>>> >>> >>> Well I do think this is actually all of a part. Most of us realize by now that >>> high speed (e.g. 10G and higher) NICs only make sense if you can steer traffic and >>> pin queues to cores etc. >> >> Well, you can get way better than 1G performance without that. And for >> routers, flow hashing may be fine. But for a host, of course, steering >> packets properly can provide a major performance win. >> >> [...] >>> What this means is that we have >>> a failure of abstraction. Abstraction has a cost, and some of the people who want >>> access to low level queues are not interested in paying an extra abstraction cost. >> >> Abstraction has a cost, but it's not necessarily that high compared to >> rewriting a whole chunk of sockets code (especially if you don't >> actually have the source code). >> >>> I think that some of the abstractions we need are tied up in the work that Takuya did >>> for SoC and some of it is in the work done by Luigi on netmap. I'd go so far as to say >>> that what we should do is try to combine those two pieces of code into a set of >>> low level APIs for programs to interact with high speed NICs. The one thing most >>> people do not talk about is extending our socket API to do two things that I think would >>> be a win for 80% of our users. If a socket, and also a kqueue, could be pinned >>> to a CPU as well as a NIC queue that should improve overall bandwidth for a large >>> number of our users. The API there is definitely an ioctl() and the hard part is >>> doing the tying together. To do this we need to also work out our low level story. >> >> But it would be a lot nicer if this could be done automatically. Which >> I believe it can - see the RFS and XPS features in Linux. > > rwatson@ has been working on "connection groups" (not sure what he calls > his project) with a goal to improve the placement of work in the FreeBSD > network stack. Some of the code is in the kernel but the parts that > require closer cooperation with a NIC are not. It looks like reducing lock contention on inpcb lookup, does it even effects the other part? (ex: CPU affinity
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