Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2026 14:12:44 +0000 From: Alastair Hogge <agh@riseup.net> To: Tomoaki AOKI <junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp> Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= <des@freebsd.org>, polyduekes@proton.me, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 16-CURRENT non root users unable to use sound/beep anymore after upgrade to a4ed783cee2a Message-ID: <6bbe00df3c00976f4af0417ab0d3a016@riseup.net> In-Reply-To: <20260622220831.d1d81d9e719c3ddb46c5a65b@dec.sakura.ne.jp> References: <iVV_ArbU33QOwLjvrYv1n7vDdaOJGVdUbGeY7RmYAlZdLkoDxjV5IXqhDdsjuXHUZBQi5vsV3dCPyUne_uwhfrjGBxNe45nz2PjpFoAFiQk=@proton.me> <20260622182407.4cf248d31f3d8eefab0474b4@dec.sakura.ne.jp> <86zf0mre6a.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <20260622220831.d1d81d9e719c3ddb46c5a65b@dec.sakura.ne.jp>
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On 2026-06-22 21:08, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 13:46:05 +0200 > Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@FreeBSD.org> wrote: > >> Tomoaki AOKI <junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp> writes: >> > Please habitally confirm UPDATING. I believe it should be >> > a good habit. >> >> No, pkgbase users shouldn't need to read UPDATING. We need to fix >> config file merging. >> >> DES >> -- >> Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@FreeBSD.org > > Agreed. But the work may be hard and need time to implememt. > > As far as keep on using diff3, which compares "line level", > this doesn't seem to be fixable. Would need "field level" > comparison and merge. > > What I can imagine for now is: > Keeping database for "managed" /etc components that records > the file is a script (like rc.d/*) or database (like group, > master.passwd, ...). Maybe informations for data structures > including delimiters would be needed to be stored for this purpose. > > etcupdate to be modified to read the above-mentioned database > and merge scripts only, passing others to another program. > > The additional program treats files passed from etcupdate > as record and field based database, add, remove or modify > anything other than that local admins can modify. > > This means, the program needs to ignore user passwords, > configured shells for anything other than to-be-switched > on master.passwd (as in csh to sh transitions but the user > locally changed it to, say, zsh or something else), > and adding new group to group (this time, adding audio) > need ignoring configured users. > > And anyway, IMHO, manual intervention cannot be avoided, > as etcupdate or additional programs cannot know which user > to be added to newly added group like audio, unless blindly > adding all users there. Otherwise, things may be more complexed. Or how about UCL for all of configuration data in /etc/, and host specific configurations can go into a separate UCL? After a pkgbase upgrade, databases can be rebuilt with the stock/system UCL and the host specific UCL. Maintains a clean separation between the host and the operating system then.home | help
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