Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:36:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Good <tomg@nrnet.org> To: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> Cc: FreeBSD Hackers <hackers@FreeBSD.ORG>, FreeBSD Questions <questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Beware of UnixWare 7 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990618183957.2212B-100000@mailhost.nrnet.org> In-Reply-To: <19990619085444.O2863@freebie.lemis.com>
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On Sat, 19 Jun 1999, Greg Lehey wrote:
> > I have run UnixWare since day 1 - when Novell bought it from USL.
>
> I used it right from the beginning. The problems I recall were
> disappearing files and failing NFS config; the latter was crucial for
> the work I was doing, and the only way I found to fix it was to
> reinstall NFS.
I found that with Sendmail too. They forgot about makemap, as I
said. They also didn't include any m4 macros. And so on. And
trying to conf UUCP over TCP is also quite a bit of fun. Installing
Taylor helps there. I have a long list of things that I can do on
other implementations (even Solaris) that take three times as long on
UW...
> > SCO cleaned that up but everything that used to be free on UW1.1 is
> > now activated by a licence key and $$$. It's approx $795 to turn on
> > anything (even netscape)...
>
> I thought the licenses were free. I got the main license for free,
> anyway.
Well, I can't comment on UW 7 and its licencing scheme but on 2.1.2
Netscape Fast Track expires and then demands a cash infusion.
Similarly, I got DOS Merge for about 30 days before he expired.
Morningstar PPP demanded a financial jumpstart before I could even
fire it up.
> > I run 2.1.2 on a production box - at least for now. (Moving
> > to Slackware soon on this box...) The lamest implementation of
> > Unix I've ever seen.
>
> It looks like you haven't used OpenServer. I think UnixWare is
> better.
Actually, I have...in one respect it is better than UW. It is one system
as opposed to the soup that is UnixWare. USL, Novell and now SCO.
UW is the quintessential white elephant and it shows. Maybe UW 7 is
better but I stopped caring awhile back. BSD is our choice for mail
servers and Slackware is my option for my PostgreSQL servers...it is
very obvious to me (using Slackware since 2.3) that Patrick is ultra
scrupulous about testing everything before he issues a new release.
I also install BSD and *expect* that everything will work. Because it
always has...
> > Many conf tasks remain non-trivial as compared to BSD or Linux due
> > to inexpertise on SCO's end...as the red Sytem Admin Handbook once
> > stated (Neveth, Snyder et al.) SCO Unix* is `perverse'.
>
> This is Open[Server,Deathtrap], not UnixWare. A completely different
> system.
True - but SCO has a very heavy hand...as mentioned above I *almost*
prefer OpenServer. I'm rather pleased that my shop will move our last
database from PROGRESS on UW to PostgreSQL on Slackware 01 July 99.
That will end our relationship with SCO and PROGRESS.
> I've tried twice more to install UnixWare. It makes all the right
> noises, but on reboot it just hangs. I'm giving up now.
So you won't be wanting a subscription to SCO World for father's day, eh?
Cheers,
Tom
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