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Date:      Tue, 10 Feb 2026 19:35:19 +0000
From:      bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org
To:        python@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   [Bug 277826] [exp-run]science/py-scipy: Update to 1.17.0
Message-ID:  <bug-277826-21822-syFpQ6DlgP@https.bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #29 from Max Brazhnikov <makc@FreeBSD.org> ---
(In reply to Charlie Li from comment #27)
> Both the current upstream numpy and scipy have dropped Python 3.10 support.
> The upstream Python project still supports 3.10 until later this year, so we
> follow that.
We can keep Python 3.10 in ports as long as we need it - hello lang/python27!.
However this should not imply support for py310 flavors, otherwise we'll fall
behind with newer versions.

> But individual projects have the discretion of dropping older supported
> versions earlier, which is what these two have done.
We can follow upstream and drop 3.10 support in numpy and scipy ports. I doubt
anybody cares about py310 flavors for scientific ports including these two
ports.
And as I mentioned earlier numpy@py310 already fails to build for other reason.

> While current scipy can build with numpy 1, in reality numpy 2 is needed to run.
not really, SciPy devs state
(https://github.com/scipy/scipy/blob/93d4114a3889c66121e90d36411e9159a64e6bd7/pyproject.toml#L25C1-L30C33):
# numpy requirement for wheel builds for distribution on PyPI - building
# against 2.x yields wheels that are also compatible with numpy 1.x at
# runtime.
# Note that building against numpy 1.x works fine too - users and
# redistributors can do this by installing the numpy version they like and
# disabling build isolation.

> For free-threaded CPython, ie 3.13t (and soon 3.14t), at least numpy 2.1.3 is
> required.
Let's enable Python 3.12 first, than we'll look for more recent versions.

> Some consumers specify both numpy and scipy rather than only scipy so the
> numpy specified in this port has to match, which is where "situated" comes from.
> Also higher-order consumers may themselves specify numpy but not scipy.
Charlie, what do you suggest exactly? Update numpy port to 2.x along with scipy
update?

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