Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:23:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton <DougB@FreeBSD.org> To: "Andrew P. Lentvorski" <bsder@mail.allcaps.org> Cc: Helge Oldach <helge.oldach@atosorigin.com>, Jay Sachs <jay@eziba.com>, <stanb@awod.com>, <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org>, <des@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: ssh to remote machines problem after cvsup Message-ID: <20020709231825.L5990-100000@master.gorean.org> In-Reply-To: <20020709173249.M68847-100000@mail.allcaps.org>
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On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Andrew P. Lentvorski wrote:
> There are actually 2 *separate* problems here. One concerns 4.6.1 and the
> other concerns stuff after that..
The fact that you see them as two seperate problems is part of the
problem. :)
> I certainly do *not* agree that it should never make it into 4.7 (or
> 4.6-stable or 4.X of any flavor). If this logic is followed to its
absurd
> conclusion, the 4.X series should cease being developed.
the distinction that you are failing to make is that there are many
different kinds of "changes" to the system. Changes that improve a driver,
changes that update systems like sendmail, even when they require some
small config changes, are candidates for -stable. Changes like this that
have serious potential for causing major problems, AS HAS ALREADY BEEN
DEMONSTRATED; are not.
> On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Doug Barton also wrote:
>
> > The fact that it falls back does not mean that users can get into the box
> > without intervention. Besides, you're missing the whole point here. Users
> > should not have to deal with this AT ALL in -stable.
>
> If OpenSSH did a proper "attempt version 2(fail) -> attempt version
> 1(succeed)" fallback, your original users *would* be able to get in
> *without* change. This fact that this does not occur really is a
> bug/misfeature of OpenSSH. It really should get reported to them. By
> fixing this bug/misfeature, *everybody* wins and is happy.
IF, at some point in the future, this works properly, then we can consider
this. But, IT DOESN'T NOW. We don't do development like this in -stable in
any case. We do it in -current.
I'm going to drop this subject now, because there really isn't any further
point in discussing it in this forum.
Doug
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