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Date:      Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:13:58 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru>
Cc:        Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com>, Lev Serebryakov <lev@FreeBSD.org>, current@freebsd.org, jhb@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: r239356: does it mean, that synchronous dhcp and dhcplcinet with disabled devd gone?
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On Aug 21, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 01:56:11PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 03:45:48PM +0400, Lev Serebryakov wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello, Lev.
>>>> You wrote 21 августа 2012 г., 15:40:35:
>>>> 
>>>> GC>> Try reverting r239356 -- if that works, then please let jhb@ know.
>>>> LS>   I'm confused by  this commit, because it seems (from comment alone),
>>>> LS> that  dhclient  will not work without devd anymore (with "synchronous
>>>> LS> dhcp" option in rc.conf).
>>>> LS>   Am I right?
>>>> Also,  I  don't  like idea of removing IP address from interface when
>>>> cable is unplugged. It was very disturbing behavior of Windows
>>>> machines for years. I've unplug cable to change switch port for only a
>>>> second and all connections are broken, even if one second later
>>>> dhcpclient receive SAME lease! I don't like this. FreeBSD was very
>>>> tolerant to unplugging cable for eons, and I (and not only me) like
>>>> it. If I understand this change properly, it is no more the case :(
>>> 
>>> Not only cable.
>>> Turn on microwave, lost WiFi connection and lost all open ssh
>>> session (and other network connection).
>> 
>> mosh helps.
> 
> No. Not all remote host allow to install mosh.
> Cisco routers, for example, don't allow to install mosh.

Yes. Mosh helps.  You can mosh to a different host, then do what you need to do to get to the cisco.

Does mosh solve the problem in all cases, no.  It just helps.

Warner

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