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Date:      Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:01:45 +0100
From:      "Danny Carroll" <danny@dannysplace.net>
To:        "Marian Hettwer" <MH@kernel32.de>, "Jeremie Le Hen" <jeremie@le-hen.org>
Cc:        Peter Jeremy <PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au>, ray@redshift.com, freebsd-security@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Need urgent help regarding security
Message-ID:  <00dd01c5eea4$1bb178b0$6501a8c0@llama>
References:  <3.0.1.32.20051117232057.00a96750@pop.redshift.com><43818643.5000206@kernel32.de><20051121085221.GA4267@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au><43819049.5090107@kernel32.de><20051121122621.GA5197@obiwan.tataz.chchile.org> <4381C81C.4080907@kernel32.de>

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> you're right with that assumption. And yes, given the above scenario,
> letting the sshd run on a different port would help. However, your
> scenario counts to any daemon listening on any port. What would you like
> to do? Moving httpd, smtpd and whoever to another port? :)
> I'd rather say, use any tools available within FreeBSD to make your box
> as secure as you need it to be. I'm thinking of fine things like
> kern.securelevel for instance :)

But sshd can be moved without problem.  Moving httpd or worse, sendmail
would break things.
Also, I dont think anyone here would suggest that this is a replacement of
other good security practices, such as those you mention, only something to
add to if you wish.

> Being confident that the OpenSSH guys are good developers too, I'm not
> that much afraid of the hackers you mentioned above (and of course no
> script-kiddies either) :-)

Just because they are good, does not mean they dont make mistakes.

> It's definetly not my intenion to troll. If somebody thinks that I do,
> I'm  sorry in advance. I just have the strong feeling that moving a
> daemon to another port (where it doesn't belong) won't gain any security.

The point here is, there are not ill effects from moving it, and possibly,
in some cases actually prevent a break in.
It might not be necessary for 99.99% of the time but if it saves you once,
then its paid for itself.

-D




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