Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:24:27 +0000 From: David Chisnall <theraven@FreeBSD.org> To: Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com> Cc: John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Core Team <core@freebsd.org>, Niclas Zeising <zeising@freebsd.org>, ray@freebsd.org, "freebsd-x11@freebsd.org" <x11@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: NEW_XORG and vt(4) in stable branches Message-ID: <1D7EC706-DFB5-40F8-8B4F-FF680E4F0FBB@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <CAN6yY1so24MnHd133gF7zYEiaoJ5fRnZgsPA3NwcXOBn=_Aj7A@mail.gmail.com> References: <201402121443.44313.jhb@freebsd.org> <52FC8EDA.6090806@freebsd.org> <CAN6yY1so24MnHd133gF7zYEiaoJ5fRnZgsPA3NwcXOBn=_Aj7A@mail.gmail.com>
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On 14 Feb 2014, at 02:12, Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm just slightly confused by this. I am unaware of any reason that = the use of NEW_XORG requires vt(4). KMS certainly does, but NEW_XORG = should not, as far as I can tell. At least it does not on my system. I = do believe that NEW_XORG will break some really old graphics cards, but = I don't see how vt(4) will help this. >=20 > Am I missing something? >=20 > And I am very anxious to see vt(4) merged into 9 and 10, but I don't = see how it impacts moving to NEW_XORG as default. KMS is required for several of the new drivers. Without KMS, NEW_XORG = means Intel GPUs can only use VESA (the same is true for radeon, but the = old radeon driver doesn't work at all with newer cards so it's not as = much of a regression). With KMS and without vt(4), starting X means = losing consoles. The only way to introduce NEW_XORG without introducing = feature regressions is to have vt(4). This is why we asked the = Foundation to fund the vt(4) work. David
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