Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:51:52 -0400 From: Paul Mather <paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> To: Russell Haley <russ.haley@gmail.com> Cc: Alex Thomas <karlthane@gmail.com>, freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 11-Alpha to 11-Beta rewrite card or buildworld Message-ID: <271F1F0A-B8B5-4A13-8BB8-3C5323622CDD@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> In-Reply-To: <20160711050802.4743251.48194.8248@gmail.com> References: <CABMOuVdW9SFFJineYtv6hvYypgRwBP9dEn-OKvb9xL2_XAXhvQ@mail.gmail.com> <CABMOuVeXnKrF52L-Xo1RYjdYhN8eoWOo8nLShxHn-TteAnyObg@mail.gmail.com> <CABMOuVd2z-3Do98C0kbDPXowvvP7-j=XMZ-x3ED=A37w=zPkYA@mail.gmail.com> <CABMOuVc%2BiHL4GLw=4BDE=%2B1ZKfw3wzxQRyJrO5OdNbw4ets-Xw@mail.gmail.com> <4876c9e05d5.30c7197a@mail.schwarzes.net> <CABMOuVfEefQ8BAxtUNrAUwTnwkq-4dN4T=X-aOWutgUec-p7Rw@mail.gmail.com> <20160711050802.4743251.48194.8248@gmail.com>
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On Jul 11, 2016, at 1:08 AM, Russell Haley <russ.haley@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry about the top post.
>
> If your not trying to learn about the build process and you don't have a custom build requirement, why not use a prebuilt image move on to validating the running OS instead of repeating what the build server does?
>
> I would think there is more value in finding anomalies in your favorite applications. From my understanding there have been big changes to the fundamentals of the OS (i.e hard float, compiler upgrades, byte alignments etc).
Speaking for myself, I just find the build{world,kernel} + install{kernel,world} + mergemaster sequence of updating the system a much more ingrained and normal method of doing things. It seems "natural" to me to update my FreeBSD/arm systems the same way I update my FreeBSD/amd64 systems.
Besides, if I overwrote my SD card with a new install image, I'd lose all my settings (e.g., users, custom /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ repository, swap partition on SD card, /etc/fstab changes to make /tmp bigger[*], etc.). It's more natural for me to use the standard update technique than redo those changes from scratch each time I update the OS. (I'm using SaltStack to configure more and more, but even getting a minion set up means it's easier to update the standard way than start with a fresh install image and have to re-bootstrap SaltStack.)
Cheers,
Paul.
[*] The default /tmp size in the install images seems too small to build the OS natively on FreeBSD/arm nowadays. Plus, I have to have swap enabled to be able to do a successful installworld.
>
>
> Russ
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Koodo network.
> Original Message
> From: Alex Thomas
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 6:01 PM
> To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: 11-Alpha to 11-Beta rewrite card or buildworld
>
> On Jul 10, 2016 7:48 PM, "Andreas Schwarz" <freebsd.asc@strcmp.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 10.07.16, Alex Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> Started playing around on a Raspberry Pi 2, it has 11-Alpha5 saw that
> Beta1
>>> is out. Is it better to rewrite the card and start over, or take the
> couple
>>> of days to do buildworld/buildkernel?
>>
>> It's not a couple of days, it's ~20 hours (and ~7h more if you build the
>> toolchain before).
>>
>> -asc
>>
>
> I remember building Gentoo on an AMD K6II and it basically taking all
> weekend, so that is why I figured couple of days.
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