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Date:      Sat, 18 May 2002 17:52:12 -0700
From:      Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
To:        Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be>
Cc:        Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>, Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr>, Miguel Mendez <flynn@energyhq.homeip.net>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: The road ahead?
Message-ID:  <3CE6F73C.2A8F4EA2@mindspring.com>
References:  <20020516004909.A9808@daemon.tisys.org>	 <20020516151801.A47974@energyhq.homeip.net>	 <20020516172853.A7750@daemon.tisys.org>	 <3CE40759.7C584101@mindspring.com>	 <20020516220616.A51305@energyhq.homeip.net>	 <3CE43D08.1FDBF0A3@mindspring.com>	 <20020517163624.GB9697@hades.hell.gr>	 <3CE58F73.1A7F50AF@mindspring.com>	 <p05111717b90b4c01f392@[10.9.8.215]>	 <15589.63655.94078.482179@guru.mired.org>	 <3CE61284.80ADD241@mindspring.com> <15590.58578.811389.223502@guru.mired.org> <3CE6E8ED.84E431F@mindspring.com> <p0511171cb90c9c2dbde0@[10.9.8.215]>

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Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 4:51 PM -0700 2002/05/18, Terry Lambert wrote:
> >  Can't do a graceful shutdown without a button.
> >
> >  I actually would be uncomfortable with something that didn't have
> >  an activation sequence of some kind that didn't include something
> >  that you normally don't do (plugging/unplugging is supposed to be
> >  limited to installation and deinstallation, not activation and
> >  deactivation).
> 
>         I can't think of a VCR, DVD, or cable box that operates this way.
> All consumer electronics devices I know of are capable of losing
> power and rebooting cleanly.  Consumer electronic devices that can't
> take this sort situation simply don't survive in the business.

First, all of my DVD, VCR and other consumer electronics equipment
have power buttons.

Second, it's still *not about the device*; it's about everything
that grows to depend on the device.


> >  Actually, you don't have to do the DNS thing, if you can do the
> >  DNSUPDAT thing.  So:
> >
> >  o    Find the gateway
> >  o    Find your IP
> >  o    Find the name server from the root
> >  o    Reverse lookup your IP to get the domain name
> >  o    Use the DNS information based on your role to
> >       configure yourself
> 
>         This assumes that reverse DNS is set up correctly.  It also
> assumes that you can get through the firewall.

Yes, it does.  It assumes that you haven't intentionally flipped
the breaker to keep the plug from working.  8-).

In general, we expect these things to have been set up by a third
party, since we assume that you don't have an on-site geek.

-- Terry

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