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Date:      Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:58:44 -0000
From:      "Cameron Grant" <gandalf@vilnya.demon.co.uk>
To:        "Randall Hopper" <aa8vb@ipass.net>
Cc:        "Amancio Hasty" <hasty@rah.star-gate.com>, "Conrad Sabatier" <conrads@home.com>, <stable@FreeBSD.ORG>, <multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Voxware is toast.  Get used to it.  (Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance?)
Message-ID:  <000c01bf92af$144ac600$0304020a@NENYA>
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>  |to my knowledge, midi is the only functionality missing.  also, multiple
>  |opens of /dev/dsp are not yet implemented.  both will be soon.
>From what I hear, it sounds like we need some more testing time too.

exactly *what* do you think -current is?

>  |> Why would we transition any other way?
>  |because various functionality voxware uses is now optional
> What does this mean?


unless you define 'options COMPAT_OLDISA' voxware will not compile.

>  |and will be gone in the coming weeks.  the kernel does not revolve
around
>  |sound,
> Exactly.  The kernel revolves around applications.  And applications
> revolve around users and their needs.

-current revolves around developers.  5.0-release will be at least a year in
the making.

>  |and voxware is an acceptable loss.  once the isa shims are gone, voxware
>  |will not compile without being newbusified which is a task of great
>  |magnitude.  at this time, the point is moot.
> Is it?  You own a 400 room apartment building.  You've built a
> brand-spankin new 200 room apartment building with a pool.  Cool.  Now you
> say to the residents, "Everybody over to the new building with the pool.
> We're gonna blow the other one up!"  Do you really think the residents in
> the other 200 rooms are going to sleep on the the street while you expand?
> There are other apartments....

this similie is not appropriate to -current, which is the subject of this
discussion.

>  |unless someone comes forward with a newbusified voxware, it will be
>  |removed soon.  i, and others, will want to see code, not promises.
> Sorry Fred.  That line don't fly with me.  I don't have to stand ready
with
> coding time to fix anything you want to break or rip out.


then suffer the loss gracefully.

    -cg




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