Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:36:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Joseph A. Mallett" <jmallett@xMach.org> To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" <giffunip@asme.org> Cc: <chat@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Reiser and BSD. Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0105231326280.9040-100000@Aphex.NewGold.NET> In-Reply-To: <3B0BE858.F738854C@asme.org>
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I think by ``inner cliques'' he's talking about people who work on documentation, filesystems, etc., rather than one big dopey moron in charge of it all (as far as kernel goes). Also, Linux did NOT ship with a fully free system, etc., first. I recall GNU starting in 1984 and not having anything _working_ other than Emacs until they ripped stuff from 4.4BSD in late 80s. And even then... THEY HAD NO KERNEL!!!! Hans Reiser is a bit of a `confused' person. He has said DIRECTLY that he ONLY used the GPL and ONLY went with Linux because it meant he could CHARGE PEOPLE MONEY to relicense and port his code if they wanted to use it in commercial environments. IN SHORT, Linux is marketing for resiserfs for him, because it gets it in front of a large audience, and he can put it under a shitty license so anyone who wants to USE it has to PAY him. As for the `competitors' thing, RMS kinda sorta started it in ~1989 when he started ranting over and over about how evil and bad BSD was. I could be wrong. /joseph -- [ Joseph Mallett <jmallett@xMach.org> ] [ http://srcsys.org ] [ xMach Core Team xMach: Proactively Unbloated Microkernel BSD ] [ FreeBSD, NetBSD, & xMach User; (Obj)C(++) Coder ] [ http://xMach.org ] -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d-- s+:++ a--- C+++ UB++++ P+++ L- E---- W++ N+ o-- K- w++ O M+ V PS+ PE- Y+ PGP++ t++ 5-- X+ R tv- b++ DI+ D--- G e* h! r% z+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ On Wed, 23 May 2001, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > > >From http://steven.haryan.to/interview-hans-reiser.html : > > "Linus put us in, and he is really a very reasonable fellow. Our > competitors (yes, it is quite silly of them to think that they are > competitors, but they really seem to do so and so here we are) really > don't like it, and it is so sad that they are going into this control > freaking jealousy stuff. I developed for Linux not BSD because BSD had > these sorts of inner clicques (and also that Linux shipped a fully > free OS first)." > > I have no idea of what he's talking about, but it sounds... funny. I > seems that when people don't find technical arguments they just make > up some reason to justify their decisions. > > Pedro. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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