Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:35:12 -0500 From: Drew Raines <drew-dated-1032183315.d1901f@rain3s.net> To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? Message-ID: <20020911133512.GE21879@drew.rain3s.net> In-Reply-To: <20020911071845.43665d57.yid@softhome.net> References: <20020909215202.78267872.yid@softhome.net> <20020910094316.H62741-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> <20020910152310.5e6e2964.yid@softhome.net> <20020910215545.GI4470@drew.rain3s.net> <20020911071845.43665d57.yid@softhome.net>
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Joshua Lee wrote:
>
> Drew Raines <drew-dated-1032126947.90fe3e@rain3s.net> wrote:
> >
> > The writer to the Hebrews wrote, ``without faith it is
> > impossible to please Him'' (11:6). Not ``pleasing'' God is
> > most definitely sin, so whatever you do out of faith is
> > sin.
> >
> > Romans 3:23 all over again. We all live our lives
> > deserving eternal punishment. This is the reason we
> > worship Christ, our savior.
>
> I'm Jewish, so quotations from the NT aren't particularly
> convincing to me. You'll have to convince me with reason,
> which I doubt can be mustered to defend this idea of
> eternal-torture-by-god.
It would seem to me that ``eternal-torture-by-God,'' God's
justice and righteousness, is the exact theme of the OT; hence
the need for the NT.
Fortunately, it's not my job to convince you. Jesus said to
his disciples, ``the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father
will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring
to your remembrance all that I said to you. Peace I leave with
you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives'' (Jn
14:26).
Sorry it's from the NT, but without that, I have nothing. My
life is meaningless apart from what Christ did. As Paul (a
former Jew[1]) put it, ``I count all things to be loss in view
of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord'' (Phil
3:8). He told the Corinthians, ``if Christ had not been
raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. .
. If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all
men most to be pitied'' (1 Cor 15:14,19).
-Drew
[1] ``I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the
tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected his people whom He
foreknew'' (Rom 11:1,2).
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