Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:12:24 -0500 From: Zach Heilig <zach@uffdaonline.net> To: Joshua Lee <yid@softhome.net> Cc: Drew Raines <drew-dated-1032126947.90fe3e@rain3s.net>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? Message-ID: <20020911191224.GA10929@uffdaonline.net> In-Reply-To: <20020911071845.43665d57.yid@softhome.net> References: <20020909215202.78267872.yid@softhome.net> <20020910094316.H62741-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> <20020910152310.5e6e2964.yid@softhome.net> <20020910215545.GI4470@drew.rain3s.net> <20020911071845.43665d57.yid@softhome.net>
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On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 07:18:45AM -0400, Joshua Lee wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:55:45 -0500
> Drew Raines <drew-dated-1032126947.90fe3e@rain3s.net> wrote:
> > Romans 3:23 all over again. We all live our lives deserving
> > eternal punishment. This is the reason we worship Christ, our
> > savior.
> I'm Jewish, so quotations from the NT aren't particularly convincing
> to me. You'll have to convince me with reason, which I doubt can be
> mustered to defend this idea of eternal-torture-by-god.
Now I'm confused... I always considered death to mean something closer
to comatose rather than eternal torture.
Rom. 8:23 "For the wages of sin is *death*..."
Rev. 20:6 "Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first
resurrection. Over such the second *death* has no power..."
Rev. 21:8 "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers,
sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall
have their part in the lake which burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second *death*."
and there are passages to suggest that it all does come to an end,
eventually:
Rev. 21:4 "And God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; there
shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying; there shall
be no more pain, for the former things have passed away"
--
Zach Heilig <zach@uffdaonline.net>
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