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Date:      Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:23:07 -0500
From:      Charles Swiger <cswiger@mac.com>
To:        Jens Ropers <ropers@ropersonline.com>
Cc:        freebsd list <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Adaptec AAC raid support
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On Mar 20, 2005, at 6:30 PM, Jens Ropers wrote:
> Lets please stop feeding this troll. I'll grant him that his bait is 
> cleverly constructed but that doesn't give him the right to degrade a 
> vital discussion to ad hominem attacks, rhetorical nitpicking and 
> all-out bickering. Nor does it give him the right to shit on the misc 
> list. Trolls are not interested in understanding the opposite party's 
> point of view or resolving outstanding questions, they're interested 
> in scoring points and keeping you occupied -- like in somebody's sig 
> here, it's like mud-wrestling a pig: You both get dirty but the pig 
> enjoys it.

Point of fact: I've never posted an unsolicited message to an OpenBSD 
list.  I'm responding to threads which appear in my inbox because Theo 
and others have decided to cross-post between <misc@openbsd.org> and 
<freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>.

In fact, Theo has started cross-posting additional threads, and he has 
rejected Tomas Quintero's simple request that he stop changing Subject: 
headers-- see Message-ID 
<200503202227.j2KMRUR6010217@cvs.openbsd.org>-- in which he asserts 
that this discussion "is entirely useful", and that:

> > Try and keep your subjects together so I can archive them more easily
> > and not be forced to read over more. If anything, this sort of email
> > belongs entirely on your misc lists, not the freebsd lists.
>
> It belongs whereveer there are people who care about being able to
> have drivers for their hardware.

I don't read <misc@openbsd.org>, and I'm not the one starting new 
threads.
Your objections to trolling are well-taken, but directed at the wrong 
person.

If you acknowledge these facts, a retraction would be accepted.  If you 
disagree with the facts as presented, I suggest asking a disinterested 
third-party and gaining a second opinion.

-- 
-Chuck



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