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Date:      Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:30:23 +0200
From:      Pierre Beyssac <beyssac@enst.fr>
To:        Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>, Joel Ray Holveck <joelh@gnu.org>
Cc:        Garrett Wollman <wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>, Brian Feldman <green@unixhelp.org>, current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: RE: net.inet.tcp.always_keepalive on as default ?
Message-ID:  <19990614113023.A54926@enst.fr>
In-Reply-To: <199906130411.VAA65201@apollo.backplane.com>; from Matthew Dillon on Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 09:11:23PM -0700
References:  <199906052344.TAA19843@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <Pine.BSF.4.10.9906052010540.53878-100000@janus.syracuse.net> <199906060057.UAA20103@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <199906060626.XAA17701@apollo.backplane.com> <86d7z6j89k.fsf@detlev.UUCP> <199906130411.VAA65201@apollo.backplane.com>

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On Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 09:11:23PM -0700, Matthew Dillon wrote:
>     I can only repeat:  Turn them on and see if they effect you.  You will
>     almost certainly find that they do not effect you.  Ask your friend to
>     turn them on and see if they effect him.  If he's tailing syslog in those

Since it doesn't affect anybody according to you, you're implicitly
admitting there's really no use turning them on either. Your argument
self-destructs!

Regarding syslog, you can perfectly tail a log which logs only
urgent messages, i.e. you *won't* have any message in it in normal
circonstances. Then you *don't* want it closed because of a temporary
network outage.

This discussion has been way beyond rational arguments from the
beginning (the only real work on the matter, RFC 1122, has been
discarded from the start as outdated), and PHK has committed the
change more than one week ago, so I don't see the point in going on.
-- 
Pierre Beyssac		pb@enst.fr


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